Talk:Civilisation (TV series)

Title

This cannot possibly be the full title of the series. Clark was not a lord at the time, he was Sir Kenneth Clark, and in any case the title "Lord Kenneth Clark" would be incorrect; he was just "Lord Clark". If no one objects, I propose to move this to "Civilisation (televison series)". Deb 21:14, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I love this program! Or programme. I just saw the DVD set in Fry's Electronics in Concord, CA. I plan to buy them soon. I really have nothing to add to the article. However, in my opinion--therefore not acceptable for Wikipedia, his message is exactly what the world needs today. Steve Dufour 06:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The correct title of the DVD is: CIVILISATION A Personal View by Lord Clark. It is correct protocol to refer to titled personages using their current title. In my opinion it is for these reasons that the correct title is not only correct but is also accurate. Lord Biggie (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Somehow his name has reverted to incorrect usage here in the first paragraph, so I've corrected it to proper short usage, Lord Clark. Richardhod (talk) 01:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Criticism

Why has the link to Perez Rubin's criticism of the series been removed? http://www.dominios.net/perez-rubin/Civilisation_Perez_Rubin.pdf The article already contains this text: "The series has been criticised for using the universal title "Civilisation" when it actually dealt more narrowly with Christian civilization in Western Europe". Why is Walker's criticism of the series deemed to be more important than Perez Rubin's?

Perez Rubin is a noted Spanish scholar, with many contributions to Spanish institutional journals:

• Arte y simbolismo (Art and Symbolism), in the journal Arte, Individuo y Sociedad, Faculty of Fine Arts, Complutensis University, Madrid, 2008.
• Los misterios en la vida de Cristóbal Colón (Mysteries in the Life of Christopher Columbus).
• Homenaje al maestro metafísico (A Tribute to the Master Metaphysician). José Ortega y Gasset Foundation, Madrid.
• El Beato Raimundo Lulio (The Blessed Raymond Lully), to the journal Isegoria, Institute of Philosophy, Higher Council for Scientific Research, Madrid.(X)
• Los talismanes con cuadrados mágicos del Museo Arqueológico Nacional. (The Talismans with Magic Squares in the National Archaeological Museum, Boletín (Annual Review), National Archaeological Museum, Madrid, 1995.
• La creatividad y la inspiración intuitiva. Genesis y evolución de la investigación de los hemisferios cerebrales (Creativity and Intuition. Genesis and Evolution of Research on the Cerebral Hemispheres), Facuty of Fine Arts (as above), 2001.
• The Sunken Ruins of Pompeii and an Age-old Enigmatic Specimen of Incidental Roman Epigraphy, Faculty of Geography and History (as above), 2004.,

In any case, the statement that the series "dealt more narrowly with Christian civilization in Western Europe" is inaccurate and should be more clearly stated that the series "dealt more narrowly with Christian civilization in parts of Western Europe". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.216.25.250 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I removed it first time around since there was no attribution given by the anonymous editor as to the author of the self published paper nor was there any on the pdf document title page. After looking at the first pages of the document it seemed to be part of the chauvinistic nationalist writing genre (everything is white) and rather be the cause of destroying an article by provoking replies of the opposite temperament, a cycle that never ends, I deleted it. Taam (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Article title

I'm not sure this article has the correct title. The full title of the series is "Civilisation: A Personal View by Kenneth Clark", otherwise it's just called "Civilisation". I would probably propose it be moved to Civilisation (TV series), but it would be good to have a second opinion before moving it. Bob talk 14:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I support a move to Civilisation (TV series). That is how it is commonly known, and how it appears on the DVD release and the IMDB link [1] and British Film Institute page to which the aritcle links [2]. It is also how it appears in the title card shown in the article itself!

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This is also an issue with Alistair Cooke's America (currently at America: A Personal History of the United States), and Cosmos (currently at Cosmos: A Personal Voyage). The material after the colon is very much in the nature of a subtitle, and are not commonly used. Quadparty (talk) 01:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Music

The series contains some beautiful Early Music, but neither the composers nor the performers are specified in the credits -- not even in the accompanying booklet, which says merely: 'Original music composed and conducted by Edwin Astley'. This despite David Attenborough being quoted as saying 'Why not survey the beautiful and influential works of art created by European artists in the last two thousand years and examine them accompanied by the loveliest music composed at the time they were created?'.

Does anyone have any more details? Given the date of the programme, I would imagine the performers were David Munrow et al, but more information would be useful; it was rather churlish to omit it, in fact.

Paul Magnussen (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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