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What is the story behind this song? Who was Molly Malone? Why did she die? Why is she remembered?

Irish Historical Mysteries: Molly Malone

by Sean Murphy

... In conclusion, it may be asked just what exactly is the Mystery of Molly Malone? In the writer's opinion, it lies in how so many supposedly intelligent people could accept uncritically the farrago of invention and misconception encapsulated in the Grafton Street statue, and to this conundrum he confesses he can offer no solution. http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/irhismys/molly.htm (COPYRIGHT!!!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.177.14.221 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 24 April 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Molly Malone

Thank you for the source reference, and I have expanded the account of the song and added my link. -Sean Murphy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.63.35 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 5 June 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the May sixth, 1966, Green Acres

episode, Oliver Wendell Douglas, sings "Ballad of Molly Turgiss", which is also the ep. title, comparing Molly Turgiss to Molly Malone.

Hopiakuta 23:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gaelic

I have moved this to talk, as it was added without any explanation of its source. Whose translation is this? The song is not in gaelic, so we need some information about this version. Paul B 14:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I mBaile Athá Cliath, Ní fhaca mé riamh,
Aon chailín níos sciamhaí ná Mol Ní Mhaoileoin,
Ag stiúradh a barra,
gach áit ins a chathair,
Le ruacain is sliogáin, is iad go breá beo!
curfá:

Is iad go breá beo, is iad go breá beo,
Le ruacain is sliogáin, is iad go breá beo.

Ba mhangaire éisc í, an cheird di ab éasca,
Ós amhlaidh dá muintir ó chianta fadó,
Ag stiúradh a mbarra,
gach áit ins a chathair,
Le ruacain is sliogáin, is iad go breá beo!

Is iad go breá beo, is iad go breá beo,
Le ruacain is sliogáin, is iad go breá beo.

Ach mo chreach is mo dhiacair, fuair Mol bocht an fiabhras,
Agus b'in i an chríoch bhí le Mol Ní Mhaoiloin,
Ach tá taibhse sa chathair,
ag stiúradh a barra, Le ruacain is sliogáin, is iad go breá beo!

Is iad go breá beo, is iad go breá beo,
Le ruacain is sliogáin, is iad go breá beo.

Lyrics

I suggest using or alive alive oh, or alive-a-live-oh or alive-alive-oh. But to only use one. Further I think it should be "For so were her father and mother before" and not vice versa. I've edited this Band B (talk) 02:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would change the comma "... crying, "Cockles ..." to be either in every verse and the chorus or in no verse. The same is with "wheeled her wheel-barrow" and "wheel'd their barrow" in the first two verses. Some consistency would be good. I'm not confident enough to make the edit, since English is not my native language. --Birk Ner (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious source for Jeanne Rynhart

After the mention of Jeanne Rynhart in connection with the sculpture, the citation [1] leads to a web page which, although named http://www.jeannerynhart.com/, has no observable connection with any sculptor and cannot therefore be considered a source for this article. It seems to be a shopping web site with one completely spurious mention of Molly Malone. Googling for "Jeanne Rynhart" shows up some more relevant sites, but I don't know enough about her to decide which one is most appropriate. The web site http://www.irishshop.com/ryncol.html **is** relevant to the sculptor but is also a shopping site. If no-one else makes the change in a few days and no-one objects, I will see if I can choose a better source. JRGp (talk) 22:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, find a better cite, but since this information isn't controversial it would be inappropriate to delete undoubted facts. Paul B (talk) 22:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing I am proposing replacing is the link to the web page http://www.jeannerynhart.com/ - I cannot see any mention of the sculptor Jeanne Rynhart on that web page and so would assert that it is an inappropriate source for her. As a possible alternative, I mentioned http://www.irishshop.com/ryncol.html which I discovered by Googling for the sculptor, but mentioned its existence as a shopping site in case anyone thought it inappropriate for Wikipedia. I hope this clarifies what I meant. JRGp (talk) 23:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prostitution?

This claim seems a bit far-fetched, since the song claims both her father and mother were fishmongers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.146.186.4 (talk) 00:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that the offspring of fishmongers always live virtuous lives? However the fact that this is part of the myth is supported by the sources [1] As it happens, "fishwives" were traditionally notorious for their sexual uninhibitedness and crudeness [2], so it's perfectly possible that that her parenthood is intended as a hint. Paul B (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would certainly explain suddenly dying by fever... —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 14:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Song about Molly Malone in movie Clockwork Orange

Drunk old guy in the movie is singing this song before Alex and his friends have beat him up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLByMshYIU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.199.121.36 (talk) 15:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New material available

There's an interesting article in today's Guardian shedding new light on this lady. Roger Davies ^talk 06:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Location of statue

Granted, the statue is located in the vicinity of the tourist information in Suffolk Street. However, judging from Google Maps (and Street View), it's next to St. Andrew's Church facing St. Andrew's Street (albeit near its intersection with Suffolk Street). It would be good to have the location confirmed by somebody local who's actually been there recently. Vinguru (talk) 05:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The text is correct. In 2014 (and until 2016) the (former) St. Andrew's Church was the tourist office building. The tourist office has since closed/moved. But that doesn't invalidate the text as written. (Either in the intro ["In July 2014, the statue was relocated to Suffolk Street, in front of the Tourist Information Office"]. Or the body ["In July 2014, it was placed outside the Dublin Tourist Office [..] on Suffolk Street"]). As neither statement suffers from WP:RELTIME issues (describing a time-specific past rather than a vague or non-specific present) I'm not sure that there is a problem here that needs solving. But if you are proposing a change, then please do. Guliolopez (talk) 15:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The Tart with the Cart"

Another nickname is "The Dish with the Fish." Kostaki mou (talk) 14:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]