Talk:Cleveland Torso Murderer

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Cleveland Torso Murderer was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: August 9, 2006. (Reviewed version).

Work

Needs a bit more polish - I believe he always beheaded his victims, for instance.

Brian Rock 03:54, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Name?

How does one murder a torso? RickK 03:56, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well, I don't know, exactly, why they gave such a strange name - actually several - to the killer. The beheadings really got to folks, and I guess they just put "Torso" and "Murderer" together. Another name frequently used is the "Torso Killer" - your comment applies, but it sounds even worse.

I also never figured out why the Kingsbury/Kinsbury run spellings aren't consistent.

Thanks for the help. Brian Rock 04:16, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Kingsbury Run is a winding watershed or culvert, named after James Kingsbury, one of the earliest white settlers of the Western Reserve. Kinsman Road after which the Kinsman neighborhood is nearby Kingsbury Run, but I could not find the original for the name of Kinsman. Is that the inconsistency you were referring to? Horwendil (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Graphic novel

The graphic novel by Brian Micheal Bendis 'Torso' which details Eliot Ness and his time with the investigation, is possibly worthy of inclusion on the main page. I leave it to someone else who has read the piece to determine.

Pictures needed

I've put a request on Wikipedia:Requested pictures for one or more pictures of the victims' death masks that the Cleveland Police Museum has (had?) on display. If any of you frequent downtown Cleveland during business hours and could drop in and take some digital photos (if it's allowed), I think we can get the article promoted to a feature article. Thanks. Catbar (Brian Rock) 00:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted GA

This article did not go through the current GA nomination process. Looking at the article as is, it fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. No references are provided and the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to submit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 12:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"G-man" or "Untouchable"?

In the "Suspects" section, Eliot Ness is referred to as a "G-man" but I have only ever seen this term used to apply to agents of the FBI; and this is how the WP article "G-man" defines it too. I will assume that the writer meant to say "Untouchable" and will change the article accordingly. Hi There 06:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fiction about the Torso Murders

Steven Swiniarski's "The Flesh, the Blood, and the Fire" inserts the efforts of a master vampire to take over the city into a number of events from Cleveland history of the 1930s and 1940s. The Torso Murders are the focus of much of the book. 75.111.32.81 23:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did this case inspire the serial killer 'Frank' in the 2nd season of Criminal Minds?--150.244.23.2 (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

additionally, Ness is said early in the article to have had "little to do with the investigation", yet he personally interviewed at least one suspect. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.191.136 (talk) 01:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is an interesting entry in the SCP-Wiki (a fictional wiki about covering up irrational, magical, and other strange events) about this at this (http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-687) location. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.187.97.19 (talk) 02:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trail of Cthulhu, the rulebook of the tabletop roleplaying game of the same name features a scenario (The Kingsbury Horror) based on this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.35.140.243 (talk) 17:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Official Murder" expression

"Most investigators consider the last official murder to have been in 1938."
Is there such thing as an official murder? Seems like to me like bad wording, but since I'm not a native english language speaker, I'll leave it up for other people to rewrite that sentence, if necessary. 201.78.177.185 14:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing Sentence

"Lead Cleveland Police detective Peter Merylo, who along with Cleveland officials did not appreciate Sheriff O'Donnell barging into the city's long-running case, is now seen, via his memoirs, as having quietly and behind the scenes tipped the Cleveland press to discrepancies in Dolezal's coerced confessions."

This is an awkward, run-on sentence. I'd be happy to edit it myself, but I'm not sure I understand it, and I don't want to introduce a factual error. Will someone please untangle things for us? Thank you.Redshift9 18:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Third Suspect?"

In the section on the suspects it begins by saying that there were three suspects in the case. In the following paragraphs there are only two suspects identified. There is no mention of Jack Wilson, considered by many to be a strong contender for the murderer. Also some mention should be made of the possible connection to Elizabeth Short and the unsolved Black Dahlia case of Los Angeles. Anyone agree? Johnnyarbogast (talk) 17:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Citation, Rewrite, and Expansion

This article is poorly developed, sourced, and written and requires significant attention. Some information in the article is unsourced and either needs to be given proper citations from reliable sources or removed if none can be found. Some sections are poorly written and will need to be rewritten entirely as well. There also needs to be information on the Background of the area before the murders added to the article via its own section with information given proper citations from reliable sources. The article is also missing information on a letter that was found and purportedly written by the killer which needs to be added to the article. Other missing information that needs to be added to the article includes the killer's Modus Operandi, Criminal Investigation, and Popular culture added to the article; the latter being formatted in a well written and properly sourced paragraph structure rather than bullet points. Considering the importance of this article (among other articles on unidentified serial killers) it's surprising to see it in this state as it could easily make GA and FA if enough attention is given to it considering the abundance of sources on the subject. Hopefully someone comes along and gives this article the attention it needs to fulfill its full potential.--Paleface Jack 16:19, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Missing Information

Looking over this article, there is a lot of information that needs to be added. For starters, there is a letter that was purportedly written by the killer that is not mentioned in the article. It needs to be added with important citations for its information. The murders section is way too short and is mostly unsourced. The section needs to be split into sub sections detailing each of the murders (the "Victims" section only lists the victims rather than the murders themselves). There also needs to be more information on the ensuing investigation, which should be the main section, followed by the "suspects" sub-section. Finally, there needs to be a section on the killer's modus operandi/profile added as well. All added and existing pieces of information MUST include important citations from reliable sources. This article has potential to be FA, hopefully someone comes along and gives it the attention it needs to meet its full potential.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lady of the lake - an actual 13th victim

The lady of the lake is considered a victum of the Cleveland torso murder, not a “potential victim” - link to source https://www.clevelandpolicemuseum.org/collections/torso-murders/ 130.44.182.34 (talk) 21:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]