Talk:Jump boot

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This sentence is ambiguous:

Jump boots are fully laced from the instep to the top and give more support to the ankle whereas ordinary combat boots during World War Two were laced just above the ankle and had to be worn with leggings or puttees to prevent mud and dirt from entering the shoe.

Is it the jump boots or the WW2 combat boots that needed the leggings or puttees? Pretzelpaws 22:03, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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These are two different sentences, which would normally be seperated by a semi-colon or comma. Notice the whereas in the middle, which indicates a comparison between the subject of the previous sentence and the subject of the next. With the right punctuation in place, it should make more sense (granted, it would be better to rewrite it entirely):

"Jump boots are fully laced from the instep to the top and give more support to the ankle; whereas ordinary combat boots during World War Two were laced just above the ankle, and had to be worn with leggings or puttees to prevent mud and dirt from entering the shoe." --Addama 13:45, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Niceness

The bit about not wearing paratrooper boots if you're a leg (in other words, not qualified to be delivered to the battlefield by parachute) can't be cited since it's not actually against regulations. It's a social thing. Paratrooper boots are earned, along with jump wings and the beret and the title.

Wearing jump boots when you're not airborne is like wearing a cop's SWAT gear (minus the gun and grenades and stuff, ok, anybody can wear knee- and elbow-pads and bulletproof vests but not anybody can walk around with a Heckler and Koch UMP) when you're not SWAT-trained. You look dumb/goofy/weird/a bit of a prick/cocky/wannabe/egotist/et cetera. 'Nuff said. It's like wearing a stethescope when you're not a doctor.

Jump boots announce to the world at large that you are a soldier trained and ready to jump out of an airplane, properly execute a parachute landing fall, and then take up your weapon and kill people in a manner that may and that you intend to benefit others. It's a helluva statement to make, more so than most articles of clothing worn to "make a statement".

So there.

Citation THAT.

PS I'm a civilian.

I believe you are very correct about what you said (above). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.141.164.105 (talk) 21:37, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Well Mr. Civilian, let me let you in on a little bit of realism from the US Army. Airborne units will not allow a leg to wear jump boots. It is socially unacceptable. Non-Airborne units don't really care. The only type of boots soldiers assigned to a non-Airborne unit are socially prohibited from wearing are tanker boots, unless, of course, you're a tanker. PS - I spent 8-1/2 years in 4th Infantry Division with 1 tour in Operation Intrinsic Action, 2 tours in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and 7 rotations to NTC. I think I have first-hand knowledge of this. SGT B 18:08 17 April 2007

Need help expanding?

What about writing two parts: one about previous types of jump boots (eg. WWII),,, and the other part about jump boots used now. Jump boots are also for civilian use, and you can write about that... Wiki flight simmer (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Wiki_flight_simmer

Removed the nonsense about zippers. Zippered boots are not authorized to be worn in the US Army. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.230.63.56 (talk) 08:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Navy Use

The description in the article concerning Navy use on flight decks sounds suspiciously familiar. In fact the version worn by Navy sailors were called Flight Deck boots. They were black lace ups with the zig zag sole as described, with additional leather patches over the toe and shanks to sufficiently cover the steel toe and steel shanks. While the Navy was fairly regulation tight on most of the uniforms, footwear was a safety matter and more open to translation. The only requirements were to be completely black, steel toe & shank, and leather (for the sake of high temperatures that would cause synthetic materials to melt). The Navy does not have the same social restrictions, especially on the “small boys” (i.e. Destroyers & Frigates) as on a daily basis any member of the crew will be required to be out on the flight deck. My first hand knowledge comes from 20 years in the Navy, with an accumulated time of 12 years on a Frigate and two destroyers. retrograde62 [PST 4:20 August 20, 2014} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.11.65 (talk) 23:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

December 2015 - Added a new ref, but needs some work still

I added a reference and cleaned up some of the poor and ambiguous prose regarding what, exactly, differentiated a jump boot from a regular combat boot at the time of their inception (at least in the US military), but it could really benefit from more details about, say, the Fallschirmjager and the Italian paratroopers of WWII, both of which I know for a fact had their own paratrooper-specific boots (or boot modifications) before the US did, simply by virtue of having started their programs earlier.

As for "modern" jump boots, we're really getting into a quagmire, since the two primary characteristics (calf-length leather and rigid toe caps) were both incorporated into the Korea-era 1947 standard issue boot. They ended up keeping the calf-length and getting rid of the toe caps (better for marching) but you get my point. These days the difference between a jump boot and a regular calf-length GI leather combat boot are pretty minimal, and the Army has fallen in love with the jungle boot instead. Anybody feel like standing up and taking a swing at producing some more references? Vintovka Dragunova (talk) 02:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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FOD here stands for Foreign Objects and Debris 98.233.173.193 (talk) 18:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@98.233.173.193: Thanks for pointing this out. Do you have a source we can cite to support this?

Solomon Ucko (talk) 19:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)