Talk:Bruce Lee

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Hi Bruce lee 120.21.161.124 (talk) 11:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The Game of Death

An article on this subject in simple English is also available.

185.167.52.108 (talk) 11:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Drug Abuse

Collapsed under Talk Page Guidelines. See WP:NOT

I'm not surprised that this article is locked. The Chinese tries very hard to turn this man into a "national" legend and a myth. The truth about his death has been well known to many Asians for quite some time, it was big news at the time especially in Taiwan. He was having an affair with Betty Ting Pei and doing drugs. None of this was covered up in Taiwan and other Asian sources, Betty Ting Pei became a national embarrassment overnight.

China, along with western media, tried to cover this up with misinformation and propaganda for decades, but in 2021 evidence surfaced in the form of 40 letters from Bruce Lee to his colleagues and friends about his spiral drug use. In these letters it detailed his abuse of acid, pot, and cocaine.

See, Wikipedia is like that Panera Bread experiment on a restaurant where people pay what they want. You base it on people's intentions, but without recognizing human beings are dishonest, egotistical, and corrupt. This is why Wiki cannot be used as any form of real source. Even such an article has political agenda now and truth is suppressed. Exchange of free idea is a joke in a world of tyrants.

References

Listed as 5'8" but his own book states 5'7 1/2.

Bruce Lee's height has been the topic of some conjecture on various forums, like the CelebHeight website, which gathers a plethora of information to determine/estimate height. The 5'8" listing is known to be a generous rounding based on Bruce's own claim. In Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, Bruce lists his own height as 5'7 1/2. Given the fact that the average person overstates their height by ~1 inch, 5'8 is a bit of a stretch. Bruce is more commonly listed as 5'7, though I don't have any specific source for this. 2601:882:101:1A0:939:E6BC:73C6:EC09 (talk) 17:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Lead Section

Not too long, despite the request for shortening it at the start of the article. 171.76.85.98 (talk) 11:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Error so obvious it almost pass as right

When a Lee is not a Lee

In November 2022, it was announced that Ang Lee was directing a biopic on Bruce Lee and that his son Mason Lee was cast to star in the movie. Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon Lee, is set to produce the film. Ang and Mason Lee are not related to Bruce Lee.

Should read

In November 2022, it was announced that Ang Lee was directing a biopic on Bruce Lee and that her son Mason Lee was cast to star in the movie. Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon Lee, is set to produce the film. Ang and Mason Lee are not related to Bruce Lee. 176.158.106.30 (talk) 16:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Yue🌙 06:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Bruce's lees first official art was not wing chun

You need to add that according to Bruce Lee's first student Jesse Glover in his book Between Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do Bruce Lee's first style was Hung Gar Kung fu 66.199.30.14 (talk) 15:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Something seems off

Would someone look at the 2nd to last and last sentence in the last paragraph of "1959–1964: Continuous studies and martial arts breakthrough" section. It may be just me but it states that Lee auditioned "...for a role in the pilot for "Number One Son" about Lee Chan, the son of Charlie Chan". Charlie Chan was a fictional character so it seems that should be added. -- Otr500 (talk) 23:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Article issues and classification

A more pressing concern is that the article does not pass the B-class criteria #1, The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited. and #4. It is placed in the categories:

• Articles with unsourced statements from November 2019
• Articles lacking reliable references from January 2022
• Wikipedia articles needing page number citations from September 2022
• Wikipedia articles needing factual verification from September 2022
• Articles containing potentially dated statements from 2022
• Articles needing additional references from February 2023

The article should be reassessed to C-class. I would have done this but there should be a sufficient number of article "regulars" to look at this. Otr500 (talk)

External links

There are five entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion. It seems AllMovie, IMDb, and Discogs are pretty much blanket added to many articles regardless if it is warranted or not.

• ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
• LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
• WP:ELMIN: Minimize the number of links.
• WP:ELCITE (when applicable): access dates are not appropriate in the external links section. Do not use {{cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section.
• WP:ELBURDEN explains the procedure for adding any trimmed links. -- Otr500 (talk) 00:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2023

Bruce Lee's sensei, not teacher, was Ip man (pronounced Yip Man) 2603:3020:1831:F100:8E69:35B2:EEA3:C9B4 (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 17:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

There should be some consistency to the name then. The lead for this article, along with several places within the article, use the spelling "Yip Man" while linking to the main article "Ip Man" (albeit through a redirect page). However, there are at least two places in the body of the article that use "Ip Man" including the list of teachers infobox.

Also, there is already an RS citation for the spelling - currently citation 24 (emphasis added):

South China Morning Post. July 25, 2018. Retrieved February 14, 2023.

"Who taught Bruce Lee kung fu? He was born to be a fighter, but the martial arts superstar also trained with the best". Lee found a sifu, or master, through a street-gang member called William Cheung, who took him to a wing chun school run by Ip Man, who had begun teaching the style in Hong Kong around 1950. Padillah (talk) 11:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Drug use before his death

According to this newspaper articles, Lee used cocaine, LSD and cannabis until his death. 83.52.72.57 (talk) 07:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

History’s Greatest Mysteries: The Death of Bruce Lee

In an episode of the TV series ‘History’s Greatest Mysteries’ about the death of Bruce Lee the investigators, chief among them the coroner Philip Beh, come to the conclusion that Bruce Lee died from the Meprobomate in the Equagesic he was given (rather than the aspirin in it), thus adding support to Raymond Chow’s theory mentioned here and somewhat detracting from the theory that the aspirin did him in.

The other theory mentioned there is that a blow to the head received during filming was severe enough to give Bruce Lee epilepsy, the evidence being that the medicine used to treat Bruce for his first major collapse around 2 months before his death is chiefly an anti-epilepsy medication. Perhaps the permanent damage done to Bruce’s brain from this blow had the effect of making him more sensitive to Meprobomate, thus also making this blow a factor in his death too? Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Bruce Lee's nationality

Hong Kong was subject to the nationality laws of the United Kingdom. While the United Kingdom may have considered Bruce Lee to be a Commonwealth citizen, he was never a full British citizen (per the Paul Bowman source). Sources such as NBC News and Huffington Post describe him as a "Chinese American". The South China Morning Post describes him as a "Hong Kong-American". His Encyclopedia Britannica article introduces him as an "American-born actor".

I think either "Chinese-American" or "Hong Kong-American" would be best for the lead, as it seems like the United States was the only country he ever had full citizenship of. Helioz9 (talk) 18:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@FlightTime:: Can you explain what's wrong with calling him a "Hong Kong American"? Helioz9 (talk) 22:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@Helioz9: Did you read my edit summary? I didn't say it was wrong. I merely meant you need to discuss your changes first. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

If there is no objection then there is no need to revert per WP:DRNC. After further reviewing MOS:CITIZEN, I think it would be better to call him "Chinese-American" due to the following propositions:

1. It is misleading to describe him as a "citizen" of Hong Kong, as Hong Kong was not a sovereign state; it was a British territory that used the citizenship laws of the United Kingdom. At the very best, he may have been a national of the British Empire, but not a citizen of any country other than the United States.

2. Although he started performing acting and martial arts in Hong Kong, it was clearly the United States where he first became a celebrity. Per MOS:CITIZEN, you should emphasize the location where the person became notable. Encyclopedia Britannica merely describes him as being "American-born" without making reference to him being Chinese, in contrast to how they describe Josephine Baker as being "American-born French".

3. Most reliable sources, including the Chinese-owned South China Morning Post, describe both his Chinese ethnicity and American citizenship.

4. His Chinese ethnicity was clearly relevant to his notability. It should be mentioned in the introduction per MOS:CITIZEN.

Per reliable sources and MOS:CITIZEN, I think the most suitable description would be "Chinese-American martial artist and actor whose career spanned Hong Kong and the United States". Helioz9 (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Bruce Lee IP man 3

Bruce Lee was in IP man 3 but only in some parts 106.69.116.246 (talk) 04:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

bruce lee had been dead for 40 by the time ip man 3 was released. 168.245.214.158 (talk) 21:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2023

His citizenship is listed as Hong Kong but this would have been British Subject as Hong Kong was part of the British Empire at the time of his birth and death. 90.250.156.165 (talk) 16:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Philroc (talk) 08:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Dana White mention in Legacy section

In the legacy section there is a mention of Dana White calling Bruce Lee the father of mixed martial arts, but the article incorrectly lists him as the founder of the UFC. Dana White and the Fertittas only entered the UFC picture when Zuffa bought the UFC in the 2000s, the UFC was founded in 1993 by different parties under the auspices of SEG. White should be referred to by his title within the UFC, not "founder". DarioGuerraKauaiUtah (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

'cufflings'?

There are the words 'but used illegal cufflings under his sleeves' - what are 'cufflings'? Should that be 'cufflinks'? SandJ-on-WP (talk) 12:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Cause of death inclusion

So I’ve gotten into another edit dispute with @Nikkimaria over the inclusion of the cause of death module in the infobox. I’ve resorted to the talk page per Nikkimaria's request so we can resolve this and hopefully reach a consensus with the inputs from other editors. For starters, Bruce Lee's premature death at the age of 32 is shown to be significant to his overall notability and legacy up to current day. [1][2] It is widely accepted that Bruce Lee died from cerebral edema (brain swelling) despite the array of spurring secondary details. This is an open discussion and I encourage the participation of anyone who sees this. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 18:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi SomeBodyAnyBody, neither of those sources seem to support that the cause of his early death is significant to his notability. Additionally neither gives edema as the cause of death - one says it was an allergic reaction and the other simply "after being given medication for a headache". In cases like this where the details are not clear and straightforward, it is most helpful to defer the explanation to the article text. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes these sources do not specifically list his cause of death as individually significant on his own and don't list "cerebral edema", they do show that his cause behind his early death at the peak of his fame is in particular mass frequent interest and scrutiny by countless. You neglected to acknowledge the compelling second source I included after your second revert, where Encyclopædia Britannica confirms his official cause of death in a question designated sub article. [3] I was also able to easily find several more sources from reliable outlets such as the National Institutes of Health, Los Angeles Times, South China Morning Post, The Guardian, Snopes and The Economic Times that confirm that the official cause of Bruce Lee's death after his autopsy was ultimately concluded as "cerebral oedema."[4][5][6][7][8] putting his cause of death as "cerebral edema" or any other synonymous term in the infobox seems to be a non-controversial decision since the secondary theories in the circumstances of his such as an allergic reaction, excessive water consumption, or epilepsy all concur that it ultimately led to fatal swelling of the brain. I think that it is best that we wait for other editors to join in on the discussion so we can come to a group consensus on if it should be listed or not. If they come to an agreement that it shouldn't be listed, I will accept it. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 18:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Lead is messed up

There is a random source at the very top of the page that clearly shouldn't be there, In place of the actual text. Can someone sort it out 219.89.38.16 (talk) 10:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The lead says "Chinese Nationalism", but Lee hated Communism!

Lee promoted Cantonese pride and Cantonese Culture, and was also patriotic to the United States, his actual birthplace. The lead instead implies he supported Communism by delibrately being so vague. This is a disgusting attempt of CCP editors to ruin this article I suspect. If it is not discussed and changed ASAP, I will make the edit in a week or so. Colliric (talk) 03:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

main pic

”I’d rather see this then one that is potentially unfavorable - the 1971 one is a still of him playing a character who is very drunk amongst other adjectives”

Dantus21 responded with “please discuss this on talk instead of edit summaries”

1.) that’s a very good way to possibly bury the topic, I was simply giving my reasoning for the edit, as I and various other editors as often do unchallenged

2.) Dantus seems this is a fine hill to die on, having a questionable main pic rather than a *not* one, given that the pool of pics wikipedia allows is very limited

Make it make sense please ChecksMix (talk) 15:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey ChecksMix,

Thank you for discussing this on talk. The reason why I disputed the 1967 photo was that it appeared to be stretched out. Perhaps I wasn’t clear on this earlier, but if you look at this crop, you might be able to see how it is stretched out in one direction. The stretching distortion was seemingly in the original print of the photograph, so I’m really not sure why it is there, but it is. As a compromise though, I could upload this edit of the 1967 photo to Wikimedia Commons. I wasn’t sure about this since it is a relatively substantial retouch, but it solves the stretching distortion. Dantus21 (talk) 21:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

ah, ok. thanks. Let’s try it ChecksMix (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

This Sentence Seems To Be Contradictory

"Lee had a dislike for dairy products and as a result, used powdered milk in his diet.[132]"

He disliked dairy products, but powdered milk is a dairy product? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4260:35D0:8C:B4BB:DF55:378B (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it's saying that he disliked the flavor, but found powdered milk more palatable. 123fendas (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I heard Bruce Lee used ginseng and royal jelly. I can't remember where this information comes from. Possibly a magazine article.