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The following discussion comes from Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. This is an archive of the discussion only; please do not edit this page. -Kbdank71 15:12, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Olympic <x> of the U.S.A.

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The following categories have all been replaced by categories with names more similar to the parent category category:American Olympians.

Category:Olympic athletes of the U.S.A. -> category:American Olympians
Category:Olympic softball players of the U.S.A. -> category:American Olympic softball players
Category:Olympic water polo players of the U.S.A. -> Category:American Olympic water polo players
Category:Olympic weightlifters of the U.S.A. -> Category:American Olympic weightlifters
Category:Olympic wheelchair racers of the U.S.A. -> Category:American Olympic wheelchair racers

-- Rick Block 06:09, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

    • The Parent Category should instead be changed to Category:Olympians of the U.S.A, the current replacement now places undue emphasis on the controversial nature of what American is taken to mean by people not in the USA. It's discussed in other US/USA/American related category names here several times. 132.205.45.110 14:53, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • The undue emphasis on the controversy comes from non-native speakers of English and a few academic or amateur-politics sympathizers with them. Whatever may be true in Latin American languages and dialects, in English,
        • "USA" or "US" is a state & a government,
        • "America" is the territory of the USA,
        • "American" is the adjective and noun for people whose permanent home is in America,
        • and anyone who says "America" when they mean "the Americas" is either ignorant of English usage, or more interested in being aggressive than in being understood.
      The Olympians are not chosen or paid by the government, so in this case the controversy is whether to use English to accurately identify the Cat, or to misuse English to forward the PoV that every aspect of America or Americans that might be considered positive is an intolerable affront to Latin Americans. --Jerzy(t) 05:29, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
    • Actually it should be Category:Olympic athletes of the U.S., in keeping with sibling categories. (Unless Olympic competitors is chosen instead...) At any rate, we should wait for a decision regarding the whole set of siblings. (See #Olympic_athletes_of_X.) It looks like we're doing "of country" all around.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 00:01, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • Your argument as stated makes sense only on the assumption that having this Cat match the rest of 1 list is more important than having it match all the articles it appears in, and all its sub-categories. I disagree, and expect, at least, wider evidence about the impact that accepting your position would have.--Jerzy(t) 05:29, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)


Given the discussion below (tentatively) approving Category:Olympic competitors from the United States, and given the by_country initiative, I would propose the following resolution (updated Mon Jan 17 05:30:20 UTC 2005):

I'm resetting the clock on this nomination to allow people time to object or support. -- Beland 05:04, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Support. I created many of the 'of the U.S.A.' categories to reduce typing, and I'm more or less indifferent whether it is U.S.A. or United States. —Mike 07:26, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
Support. Adjective usage and abreviations are less than optimal. Tuomas 07:53, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Using "... of the United States" is unneeded typing. Even if the adjective forms aren't going to be used, "... of the USA" would be better. Maurreen 16:32, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Support, noting that if we do this with the United States categories, we ought to do it with the others as well. Treating the United States differently because of a political concerns doesn't sit well with me. (I don't see any problem with typing an additional ten characters. "United States" is now much more commonly used than "USA".) -Aranel ("Sarah") 16:41, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Support I'm okay with United States, U.S., or USA. But please let's not pick a name because it's less typing! —Michael Z. 21:04, 2005 Jan 22 (UTC)

The following have been implemented:

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