Talk:Hieronymus von Colloredo

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I'm about to move this back to a more appropriate location, and I'm explaining why here.

1. Articles are not "Surname, Given name", but "Given name Surname"
2. This particular gentleman's surname is not "Colloredo-Mannsfeld", nor even "von Colloredo-Mannsfeld", but simply "von Colloredo". It was his brother Franz de Paula Gundakar von Colloredo, who married Maria Isabella von Mannsfeld und Fondi, and became the first Fürst von Colloredo-Mannsfeld and assumed the hyphenated surname. It was not their father, and Hieronymous (and his other siblings other than Franz) were simply "Colloredo".

The naming of continental title holders has not been very well defined on Wikipedia, and is difficult with regard to which titles should be included in the title of an article and if they should be translated or not. And this particular case provides no end of possible titles: Hieronymus von Colloredo was a Graf of the Holy Roman Empire, a Prince of the Empire (since 1763), a Bishop, and an Archbishop. A case could be made for "Hieronymus, Prince-Archbishop Count Colloredo" or some other combination of his titles. I've opted for "Hieronymus Graf von Colloredo" and will fix redirects accordingly. - Nunh-huh 05:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

More on what to call him

I'm assuming that Gryffindor is right to use an English-language title. However, I suggest we call him Archbishop Hieronymus von Colloredo, since that's what the New Grove does, and he's definitely most famous in his capacity as Prince-Archbishop, not as Count. Cheers, Opus33 (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Reverting infobox

I've taken out the infobox, partly because it's wrong to display trivia so prominently, but also because the box included errors and unsourced information. The 1771 date for installation is almost certainly not right, since that would imply that he was installed before he was elected! And in fact there is no source at all in the article for the question of when the Archbishop really was installed. So this should not be fixed just by guessing at "1772", which would raise issues with WP:VER.

The 1803 date for termination of his reign is strictly correct but misleading, since Colloredo remained in his ecclesiastic capacity as Archbishop for many further years. Opus33 (talk) 20:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@Opus33: I have restored the infobox with information provided by www.Catholic-Hierarchy.org, a reputable website that offers information on the posts and offices of the Catholic Church. - Conservatrix (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The problem with those infoboxes is that the info is often partial. He ceased to be prince-archbishop in 1803, continuing as just plain archbishop until his death in 1812. The 1803 event is crucial and should be in the infobox. --Lubiesque (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, while the info might be from a 'reputable' website, it remains a private blog: "This web site is not officially sanctioned or approved by any Catholic Church authority. The contents are purely the responsibility of David M. Cheney."--Lubiesque (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Lubiesque: Infoboxes should always be regarded as a summarization. Remember that our primary mission as editors is to cater to the casual reader. Your proposed alteration has been made but feel free to adapt the infobox further to your liking. - Conservatrix (talk) 01:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Bavarian Illuminati

This cleric is categorized as having been a member of the Bavarian Illuminati. No mention of membership was made on this page, and no provided reference substantiates this claim. Would anyone be able to cite a reliable source? - Conservatrix (talk) 01:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

What he said to Mozart

Soll er doch gehen; ich brauche ihn nicht! actually works out to "Go; I don't need you!" The seeming 3rd person singular is the person of disrespect, used by a superior to an underling (e.g., officer to enlisted man). Similarly, the Respektsperson looks identical to the 3rd person plural. Is there a standard for this? Will wait for comments before changing. Roger.Lustig (talk) 19:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)