Talk:Zadok the Priest

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Personal selection of account??

What does this sentence (apropos of the text) mean please? It is believed that Handel made a personal selection of the most accessible account of an earlier coronation, ... Can it be clarified at all? Thanks, --Nevilley 08:24, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Question: Was the Zadock the Priest text actually used during earlier coronations? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumergocognito (talk • contribs)

It was used during the coronation of George II and all subsequent coronations

Notes

Can somebody find the notes to this piece? Piano or Violin please. (Or at least a link.)NapoleonAlanparte 22:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just thinking this anthem aught to at least also give credit to 'Nathan the Prophet' Ref. 1 Kings 1 in full. Surveillant Spotter (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyright violation?

I was searching with Google to resolve the contradiction in "Structure" (opening says SSAATBB, last paragraph refers to _six_ voice parts SAATBB)and found that this article appears to be a verbatim copy of http://www.cantatedomino.org/cd/index.shtml?42.txt.

This might also explain why no one has answered the question posed in section 2 of the talk page.

132.244.246.25 (talk) 08:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you look carefully at the page, at the bootom in small type is "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Wikipedia article "Metasyntactic variable"." - I think Metasyntactic variable should have been replaced by "Zadok the Priest". The copying is form here to there, not vice-versa, and if they sorted out the attribution, would be perfectly acceptable within the terms of the licence. The creation and amendment dates at the top of the page, "Created 7/11/2008 Revised 13/04/2009" also tend to suport this.

On your other point, it's a while since I've sung it, but I think the division of voices does change during the course of the work, so there's not necessarily a contradiction as such, but it could be explained better. David Underdown (talk) 10:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"King" in lyrics

When this piece was sung at the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II, were the lyrics changed to "God save the Queen", or were the original lyrics used? CaptainPedge | Talk 19:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@CaptainPedge: They sung "King". Here is a recording of it (Zadok the Priest begins at about 1:08:00). It makes sense though, as the song is about the anointing of King Solomon. --Inops (talk) 10:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

lyrics with shouted text?

This version by the Westminster Abbey choir includes shouted words 'vivat and 'God save the King!' Is this part of the original score? or a relic of a performance? One notices these shouted words are not included in the coronation of Elizabeth II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.231.227 (talk) 01:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Champion's League

Is the UEFA anthem really "one of the best-known sports songs in the world" anywhere outside the fevered imaginations of UEFA's PR department? The Belgian Ocelot (talk) 10:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is "one of the best-known sports songs in the world" according to the NYT, which is cited inline. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zadok 'titular priest'

the article calls Zadok 'the titular priest' - does it mean 'eponymous'? or perhaps 'the priest of the title'. Titular implies he wasn't really a priest but just had the title. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:E096:4A02:3D97:1BC1 (talk) 20:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zadok the Priest and GSTK

@The dog2: I'm not sure about your source. The relevant paragraph is suspiciously similar to the paragraph that appeared on Wikipedia before I removed it, which makes me think that we're witnessing a case of citogenesis. Compare:

While the lyrics of "God Save the King" are based on the same scripture passage from which "Zadok the Priest" originated, the lyrics of "Zadok the Priest" do not change based on the sex of the sovereign. Because it is a hymn and pulled directly from scripture, and because the king in question is Solomon, it remains "king" even if the monarch is female.

The national anthem is drawn from the very same Bible passage, but while “King” is changed to “Queen” in the anthem when there is a female monarch, the lyrics to “Zadok the Priest” remain the same no matter the sovereign’s gender. This is because its words refer to Solomon specifically, and are taken directly from scripture.

The lyrics of GSTK are not based on the biblical story of Zadok and Solomon, by the way. The phrase "God save King Solomon" does appear in 1 Kings 1:39, but it's unlikely that this had any influence on the writing of the national anthem. There is otherwise no similarity between 1 Kings and GSTK. Zacwill (talk) 03:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that source would meet Wikipedia's criteria for a reliable source. I don't mind if you want to remove the part about God Save The King, but it's certainly true that the lyrics for Zadok the Priest don't change even if the monarch is female. It's still "Good save the King" and "May the king live forever" because it's referring to King Solomon. If you watch Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, which can be found on YouTube, you'll hear that the lyrics of "Zadok the Priest" still use "king". The dog2 (talk) 03:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I removed that part because I thought it was self-evident. Does anyone really think that the king in the song would suddenly turn into a queen if the monarch being crowned was female? Zacwill (talk) 03:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course Solomon is always male. The Bible stays the same no matter who the monarch is. But you never know. Some people don't pay attention to the text of the entire song and may expect "king" to be changed to "queen" when a female monarch is being crowned, even though it doesn't change. The dog2 (talk) 04:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can find a scholarly source saying that GSTK/Q is based on 1 Kings, there's no link at all between the it and "Zadok", so there's no reason at all to mention it here. E Eng 19:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use in Royal Maundy service

Mention should be made that this anthem is also performed at the Royal Maundy service. At least the modern one. The Royal Maundy article made no mention of how far back the tradition goes. 58.110.44.246 (talk) 05:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]