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Victoria Snelgrove

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I CALL TO HAVE THIS REMOVED FROM VFD consensus shows overwelmingly keep/merge. Most content has already been added to the 2004 ALCS and the Non-lethal force article. Alkivar 06:07, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • It's been more than 5 days - I'm removing the VfD notice from the article itself.... Krupo 06:10, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
    • That is all fine and good, but aren't there more votes for a merge and redirect than for a keep? Indrian 06:13, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

I've tallied the votes:

  • 2 for delete
  • 8 for keep (including one anon vote; also, Zerby’s vote is a merge, not a keep)
  • 16 for merge and redirect (including one anon vote)

The consensus is for merge and redirect, and I am doing so. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 23:07, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

Tragic sure, encyclopedic, far less sure. Indrian 23:36, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

  • Is anybody outside her immediate circle going to remember this name in a few years? Delete. Lord Bob 23:48, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep Wolfman 01:28, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete - again, just because someone dies does not make them noteworthy. Adam Bishop 02:06, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep An unusual event that made national headlines is certainly encylopedic, but it should maybe be merged to the main Boston Red Sox article. Zerbey 02:17, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep "killed ... by a pepper spray projectile" - that's a pretty interesting thing to remember in discussions about pepper spray --Deleteme42 02:26, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Yeah, it did make the news. Redirect and merge to 2004 American League Championship Series (an article which already makes mention of her, just not by name). —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 03:31, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Lowellian's suggestion. Geogre 03:57, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • I agree with Lowellian. Merge and redirect. RickK 05:22, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Well-known occurrence. Has potential to be ongoing controversy as the Boston Police has accepted responsibility and the police officer/s placed on leave. The police are holding a probe. [1] Currently Google News has 931 articles indexed for her so it has made news around the world. [2]Capitalistroadster 06:07, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and redirect; I agree with Lowellian. Fishal 06:34, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect; I agree with Lowellian, Geogre, RickK and Fishal. Aecis 13:18, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep; This is worthy of having an article.
    • You should probably sign your vote. Lord Bob 17:50, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
      • An anon, 65.35.128.23, added this vote. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 23:02, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Non-lethal force. The reason why Victoria Snelgrove was in yesterday's Globe is because of the circumstances of her death. The event was conspicuous recent example of someone—so far nobody's suggested that she was anything but an innocent bystander—killed by police use of a "nonlethal" weapon. The headline in yesterday's Globe does not even mention her name: "Postgame police projectile kills Emerson student." Her name does not appear until the second paragraph, and only as identification: "Victoria Snelgrove, a 21-year-old journalism student from East Bridgewater, was struck..." 1/3 of page B4 is devoted to a story about her, "Student remembered as a bright, budding journalist," but there's really not much that can be said. In other words, the incident is worthy of mention, but in the context of nonlethal weapons, not in the context of biography. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:01, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) P. S. In this context I'm haunted by the opening line of Erich Segal's tearjerker novel, Love Story, which opens with the sentence "What can you say about a twenty-five-year-old girl who died?"
    • Merge & redirect to non-lethal force as suggested; that makes a lot more sense than redirecting to a baseball article. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:38, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) PS. You're haunted by the opening line of Love Story ?? Good heavens.
  • Merge and redirect with the ALCS article. CryptoDerk 00:00, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • M/R to the ALCS article. —siroχo 03:40, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Radman1 06:19, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. Sjc 06:45, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge information into another article. The information should be retained but not as its own article. Ben James Ben 02:00, 2004 Oct 25 (UTC)
  • Agree with idea to merge with other existing entries. Many come to mind like the 2004 ALCS, pepper spray, police force, lethal force, Boston Red Sox. --192.147.222.2 13:53, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Mark Richards 22:24, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge. Suggest moving content to both the ALCS article and the Non Lethal Force article. Its relevant to both. Alkivar 01:26, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have added the content to the 2004 American League Championship Series article. Alkivar 01:49, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. I'm gonna also say add the stuff to 2004 ALCS as well as Non-lethal force, and redirect it to non-lethal force.
    • Whoops, sorry. I forgot to sign this earlier. Jonpin 04:15, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Wikipedia is not paper If you do not want to know about this person in the news, then do not search for her :). --ShaunMacPherson 19:10, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. The Wikipedia may not be paper, but it's integrity is compromised when we allow entires of irrelevance to be included. May she rest in peace, but Ms. Snelgrove is not in-and-of herself a person of importance. The incident in question is, for various reasons cited above. Her death should be cited in the non-lethal force entry, for sure. Pacian 20:01, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge or otherwise preserve Sahasrahla 22:35, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Krupo 05:33, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
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