Talk:Goy

Goy was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (March 31, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Modern derogatory sense

Is the problem that some non-Jews think that the word "Goy" is a slur is because they use the word "Jew" as a slur? SunDog | Talk 19:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since when does the person saying the supposed slur get to decide whether it is a slur or not? Many racists don't think their words are racist. They're still racist. 209.181.62.178 (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goy article needs a good edit

I just wanted to point out that the last 2 paragraphs (beginning with "in modern usage in english" and "the word goy is sometimes used by") of the intro section of this article are highly inflammatory and intensely antisemetic, especially the part making claims about the "chosen people...lying". Super problematic. I considered signing in to make an edit myself, but reconsidered since I didnt want to play "white knight", and thought maybe i should leave the editing for more qualified people who are better acquinted with the subject matter. But I def felt the need to point it out and hopefully bring it to attention that this should be addressed. Thank you. 209.91.132.90 (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, by the time I'd made my topic comment it looks like someone else had already caught it. Thanks! :) 209.91.132.90 (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't worry about playing the white knight - nobody's more qualified when it comes to tackling horrible vandalism. There's a lot of rubbish being thrown at this article, and I'm sure many others, at the moment.Atrapalhado (talk) 19:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a regular wikipedia editor but I would like to point out that in the "In Antisemitism" section the article states that GDL founder Jon Minadeo II was imprisoned for "use of the slur" (goy) when source 38 clearly shows that he was imprisoned for littering. Maybe someone can fix that too. 2601:1C2:801:4B60:7DC1:3FF4:A83A:A272 (talk) 19:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, IP! I've updated the passage to make it clear the jail term was for littering. Feel free to propose or just edit in better language if the way I phrased it is too clunky. EducatedRedneck (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BC or BCE

I made a change to make the article compliant with MOS:ERA. Specifically, these two points:

Use either the BC–AD or the BCE–CE notation consistently within the same article.
BCE and CE or BC and AD are written in upper case, unspaced, without a full stop (period), and separated from the numeric year by a space (5 BC, not 5BC). It is advisable to use a non-breaking space.

It was reverted, objecting to BC over BCE. I really don't care which, as long as it's used consistently. I can see the argument of using BCE, also per the MOS: An article's established era style should not be changed without reasons specific to its content; seek consensus on the talk page first (applying Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles) by opening a discussion under a heading using the word era, or another similarly expressive heading, and briefly stating why the style should be changed. I've reverted again to maintain consistency, but have no objection if someone changes all AD/BC to CE/BCE. Just make sure it's consistent and has the appropriate spaces. EducatedRedneck (talk) 10:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree re consistency but as it clearly should CE/BCE it's not very helpful to revert it to AD/BC. Atrapalhado (talk) 16:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Atrapalhado You may notice I'm not a subject matter expert.

I was going purely off consistency. I acknowledge that you think AD/BC is preferable in these articles, and suspect you're right. I thank you for changing the style without reintroducing incorrect spacing or inconsistent era usage; the article is in a better state than before thanks to your efforts. EducatedRedneck (talk) 17:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]