Talk:Tintoretto

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Naming

Interchanging Robusti and Tintorreto is very confusing. I would suggest all uses revert to Tintorreto, as this is the commonly used name; this is certainly the custom. Mentioning his real name at the top is sufficient as an additional fact about his life.--Rob2000 10:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway the real name was Jacopo Comin. "Robusti" was also named his father because he was been a vigorous defender of the city of Padua in war; the word "robusto" means bold, robust.--Jipre (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External link to www.cheapvenice.com/tintoretto-house.htm

I see that there is an edit war over this link right now. Although the link is more than a little commercial in nature, I think it probably is notable enough to be included in this article. That's my opinion, at least. --Mdwyer 18:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any good photographs of Tintoretto's house withouy an advert on it. Hardly any pages nowadays come without adverts somewhere. If somebody can find the same pictures elsewhere without adverts then they should replace it with that web site. Personally, I don't find adverts at the bottom of a page so terrifying. --DavidLeslie 19:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Books

Also, I have set the headings to Further reading and External links as specified at Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Further_reading --Mdwyer 18:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Changed headings to match WP:MOS PLEASE discuss on talk page before changing again." Nowhere does it say there that listed books must be headed "further reading". One of the encyclopedia links is further reading as well, and also an external link. Other external links are not further reading. So "Books" and "Web sites" (or External links) satisfies all requirements without causing the sightest problem. Fussing over the word "book" as if it is a four letter word is remarkably petty. --DavidLeslie 19:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it says exactly that. "Certain optional standard sections should be added at the bottom of an article." That sentence defines the existence of standard headings. A little farther down it says what goes in the sections: "Put under [Further reading], again in a bulleted list, any books ... that you recommend as further reading" --Mdwyer 19:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What...?

It might just be me, but there is something off about this article. It doesn't seem to be written in proper encyclopedic style, and there are a lot of subjective statements like

"The number of his portraits is enormous; their merit is unequaled, but the really fine ones cannot be surpassed."

and

"We here reach the crowning production of Tintoretto's life, the last picture of any considerable importance which he executed, the vast Paradise, in size 74 ft. by 30, reputed to be the largest painting ever done upon canvas. It is a work so stupendous in scale, so colossal in the sweep of its power, so reckless of ordinary standards of conception or method, so pure an inspiration of a soul burning with passionate visual imagining and a hand magical to work in shape and color, that it has defied the connoisseurship of three centuries, and has generally (though not with its first Venetian contemporaries) passed for an eccentric failure; while to a few eyes it seems to be so transcendent a monument of human faculty applied to the art pictorial as not to be viewed without awe."

The whole article is peppered with similar sentiments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.43.98.10 (talk) 21:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, even though most of the text and tone of the article seems to be derived from the 1911 Brit http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Jacopo_Robusti_Tintoretto . The whole article needs revising to remove the POV and refer to representative secondary sources instead. DeanKeaton (talk) 02:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the problems are very obvious. I have added the NPOV and Refimprove tags. Michael Eriksson (talk) 08:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are still very obvious. I looked at this because Mark Twain devotes a page or more to this painting (Paradise) in his book "A Tramp Abroad" and I was hoping to find an article on the painting itself. That is also needed. 24.27.31.170 (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC) Eric[reply]

Yes, significant portions of this article read as if they were lifted from a brochure written by the Tintoretto Fan Club, possibly translated from the Italian. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apprenticeship

As Tintoretto was expelled from Titian's workshop within a fortnight his experience could hardly be considered an "apprenticeship" however "brief" and it is unlikely he acquired any secrets or learned anything worthwhile by way of skill or technique. I shall remove the statement in the information box shortly if there are no substantial objections. Myron (talk) 04:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think Carlo Ridolfi is the only source for any link with Titian's studio, and the assertion should be removed. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paintings

In the Gallery there is listed the painting named "La Maddalena", but it was painted by the son of Jacopo, Domenico Tintoretto. --Jipre (talk) 10:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Self-portraits

Although the infobox includes his Louvre self-portrait, there is no mention of it in the article itself. The EB1911 article has a whole paragraph on two self-portraits, although it mostly has Rossetti's personal description of the Louvre one. Anyway, should there be a mention? It's also not clear to me whether the younger version is still in the Uffizi, V&A, or Philadelphia. David Brooks (talk) 15:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear from the Commons categtory that the V&A and Philly, both clearly still there, are two different paintings. I'd imagine the Uffizi one is a third. What the current attributions are I don't know. It's not impossible he repeated the picture 3 times. One of the many things that should be added by someone with good sources. Johnbod (talk) 16:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Echols, Robert (2018), Tintoretto: Artist of Renaissance Venice, Echols and Ilchman refer to "his two surviving self-portraits", these being the Louvre and Philadelphia ones (pp 145-6). They take a dim view of "the supposed self-portrait on panel" in the V&A, "an almost stroke-by-stroke copy of the Philadelphia painting, probably executed by Domenico Tintoretto (as originally proposed by Rearick 1995)" (p 248). Neither this book nor Bernari (1970), L'opera completa del Tintoretto, have any mention of the Uffizi painting, which from the jpeg does look starchy for a Tintoretto. I'll try adding a line to the article. Ewulp (talk) 05:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

Could someone who knows how add his signature (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tintoretto_autograph.png) to the infobox? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus has long been against signatures in artist infoboxes in general. A few of the previous discussions: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Ewulp (talk) 01:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, especially as T never I think signed his works. Johnbod (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]