Talk:New Kids on the Block

Book with same title

I did a search on Amazon, and I can't find a Shel Silvestein book of poems entitled "New Kids On The Block", but anyway, if you think it's worthy of a Wikipedia article well and good. However, it means we have a name clash. I guess we should create an article that contains pointers to "New Kids On The Block band" and "New Kids On The Block book". Is that OK? --Robert Merkel — Preceding undated comment added 01:19, 29 November 2001 (UTC)

-its actually called "the new kid on the block" and it was written by jack prelutsky. easy mix-up since it was similar to shel's style. it was a pretty cool book. hope this helpsWhitey138 18:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Two Thumbs Down

Somebody with NKOTB knowledge please pretty-fy this page? It breaks my heart to see such an unattractive Wiki page devoted to my favourite 80s boy band. 24.215.63.110 04:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Against the merge

I'm aginst the merge. I can write Danny's article. I was a big blockhead back in the day and collected articles for years after they disbanded. I think if the other four members have their own article, Danny should too. I'll have it done by 4/1/06. G312 19:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.38.14 (talk)

Hard to disrespect NKOTB

With their first 9 singles reaching the top ten in 1988-1990, it is hard to disrespect NKOTB. Compared to the Backstreet Boys, NKOTB experienced greater success in the U.S. because the Backstreet Boys never had a #1 single in the U.S. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.29.149.88 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 11 August 2006.

Good point, User:70.29.149.88. They did sell out more concerts than Backstreet and NSYNC, and they had nine singles in the top ten over a two year period. That cannot be considered a failure. Their albums sold well: the self-titled one sold well after the second album (nearly 10 million, 8 million in US and 2 million overseas), Hanging Tough, MMXmas, Step by Step, and No More Games all sold very well. Face the Music did become a critical success, if not commercially. Overall, NKOTB were the boy band of the 20th Century. --Jonathan.Bruce June 7 2007, 09:42 PM (UTC)

im a bit of a fan of both NKOTB and BSB but i gotta disagree that NKOTB are the boy band of the 20th century, just because an artist has more success in the US than someone else dont mean nothing, BSB never really experienced the backlash and have never really released an unsuccesful album, apart from there first which wasnt even released in the US. So there story is kinda similar to NKOTB but BSB's two most unsuccesful albums sold like 6 and 13 million copies worldwide, while there most succesful has sold close to 30 million copies, aswell as that they completed the successful Never Gone tour last year which was an arena tour, this was like NKOTB during a time were pop music and boybands weren't the cool thing, unlike NKOTB though who ended up in theatres and having to cancel the tour. So NKOTB boyband of the 20th century, i think not — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.154.96 (talk) 02:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually NKOTB were the boy band of the 20th century BSB more like 21 century, NKOTB knew when to stop by BSB has released to albums and had little succes the most recent sold about 100,000+ and i am not lying. NKOTB most recent sold that many in a week. backstreet boys came during the time when the music business was selling records like crazy, NKOTB did good for the 80s when record sales weren't that good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.0.85 (talk) 03:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

This page is clearly written by their fans. I don't see it mentioning about their recent failures: angry fans in their cruise, Full Service concert cancellations, and poor Casio tour reviews on Ticket Master. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meg74 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Former Yugoslavia

Back in the 80's some girl told me that one member of NKOTB had roots from Yugoslavia. Anyone that can confirm? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.187.201.102 (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Wasn't there a cartoon of them?

I seem to remember an episode where they were singing and dancing (in cartoon form) around a fountain. Am I crazy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.202.165 (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope. It did exist, but it wuz cancelled after 13 episodes. One of them's on youtube, called Sheik of my Dreams. Check it out. Jonathan.Bruce June 7 2007, 09:42 PM (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:New Kids on the Block-Hangin' Tough (album cover).jpg

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Danny Wood's audience

Danny Wood performed before "10 paid attendees" ? Is that some kind of joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.191.70 (talk) 07:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

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NKOTB - Danny Wood Interview

Njs4ever.com scored an interview with Danny Wood in the summer of 2007 -- it's over an hour long and on YouTube, but I have also created a "Pop Stand" page to serve as an easy place to find it. It's VERY candid, and very informative, and frankly, I'm not understanding why its inclusion on the NKOTB wikipedia page is being deemed "irrelevant" or inappropriate since reunion talk is discussed, before ANYONE was even thinking about it in 2007 (besides the reunion attempts by MTV and the Bands Reunited series). I will be adding it back on....if you have questions, please reach out to me directly. Just click "contact" on the website's side bar. Thank you.

Andrew Knyt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knyte77 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Read this

Hey girls, I know Pinkadelica who removed it meant well, but I'm a NKOTB fan too, I was the one who added the info about the American Music Awards, but I saw you removed the unexplained changes I added, I guess I should've explained it, I corrected the info about Joey Mcintyre's first album, because it was certified Platinum since then, not just Gold, also the New Kids are trying to like get away from Maurice Starr's "puppet masketeers" image, that's why i removed Maurice Starr from the top of the article to give more credit to the new kids themselves, because you know when people in the media read their wikipedia, maurice starr's name is gonna be up there on the top again, and it could spur their anti-new kids manufactured thing, you know what i'm sayin, if we remove maurice starr from at least the top of the article, then it gives more credit to the guys, well anyway, go New Kids, love to all the blockheads! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.3.67 (talk) 01:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The images

There is an ongoing dispute over the fair-use images that are currently in this article. I don't see the need for so many fair-use images here, but whenever I've removed them, I've found that they've been restored (see edits like this and this). I admit I'm no expert with images, but from my understanding of the image policy, these images shouldn't be here under at least 3 counts:

1. None of them have a fair-use rationale for this article.
2. They appear to be used to "decorate" the article rather than to educate the reader.
3. There is no need for excess fair-use images in an article.

I do not think that these images are appropriate, but can we discuss this rather than revert-war over the images? Acalamari 19:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree- I would like to say that I am fairly experienced with images, and their use here is completely excessive. I am going to remove them now, and I request that others do not. Even if you disagree with our (standard) interpretation of the non-free content criteria, at least respect that we should err on the side of caution until we have discussed it. J Milburn (talk) 20:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So how do you explain the Backstreet Boys have the same thing on their article and other popbands? And they have the exact same license as this one? (Fadiga09 (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC))

Most likely because someone who is experienced with images hasn't recently viewed those articles and removed the images in question. The fact that there are images incorrectly used in other articles doesn't mean it's okay to use them incorrectly in this one. As with this page, those will need to be sorted out as well. Acalamari 21:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

(ec)Because other editors have made the same mistake? I am happy to remove misused images where ever I find them- I will look into the Backstreet Boys now. In any case, if you accept 'this other article has it!' as a valid argument, then I am sure I could find more articles that don't have images like this. Maybe if you started pointing at featured articles/lists that abuse non-free images we could talk- until then, no. J Milburn (talk) 22:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Edits

Someone keeps on editing my edits. I was just trying to clean up the article. -XYZ1003 — Preceding unsigned comment added by XYZ1003 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't usually edit articles nor do I know the codes, but um, I'm guessing this sentence is not supposed to be there "In April 1986,ashley is their biggest fan." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.16.231.6 (talk) 19:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Kim Glover

'Kim Glover' redirects here but there's no mention of her on this page. Please could someone who knows about her either add some information or delete the redirect, as it's not helpful at the moment. Jammycaketin (talk) 18:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone added a statement that NKOTB had been managed by Kim Glover and Dick Scott. I removed it because the reference did not support it, but added it back when I found a couple of other sources. I don't have time to add them in properly right now, but they are below if anyone wants to go for it.

• http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/manager/underthegrill/page1.shtml (Kim Glover)
• http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,970764-3,00.html (Dick Scott)

I also think maybe their names should not be links, if "Kim Glover" redirects back to this page, and the particular "Dick Scott" who managed them does not seem to have a page. Also, not sure who manages them now but the distinction should be made that this was back in the '80s/90's. --Susan118 (talk) 17:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure why I can't seem to remove the "Kim Glover" redirect. I removed the link but anyone searching for her will still get this page. It looks like she managed several bands/singers including Tiffany, according to other articles on Wikipedia at least, so it as not as though NKOTB was her whole life. If someone else can remove the redirect, that would be great. --Susan118 (talk) 14:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I removed the Kim Glover redirect and attempted to create an article on her. It's fairly skimpy but somehow managed to not get tagged for deletion. Hopefully someone with more knowledge and interest in the topic can expand it. --Susan118 (talk) 01:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Full Service Tour

My first instinct on seeing the "Full Service Tour" information added was the same as that of the person that removed the info, that it wasn't a separate tour. However, if you read the source cited, it states:

"The Full Service Tour kicks off May 28 in Atlanta and makes stops all across the U.S., wrapping up July 18 in the Woodlands, Texas. Tickets for the tour go on sale Friday." (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1608119/20090330/new_kids_on_the_block.jhtml)

So clearly it is a separate tour; maybe there is no break between the tours, but they are still separate. --Susan118 (talk) 04:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

"Take That"

I'm removing the recently added section about British boy band Take That because 1)It doesn't have anything to do with NKOTB, 2)No references, and 3)Even if it was relevant, it shouldn't be in the lead section. Please feel free to discuss if you disagree. --Susan118 ^talk 22:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

New Kids; Dutch series

There is a Dutch TV series that's called New Kids on the Block; after the first two seasons abbreviated to New Kids (Dutch Wikipedia page). It's currently being broadcast by Comedy Central and is starting to get quite popular in other countries as well, especially in Sweden and Germany (German Wikipedia page). DJ Paul Elstak created a song for the New Kids Turbo movie that'll be released in about a week (IMDb, Dutch Wikipedia page). The series is named after the American boy band. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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Boy Band?

I left the lede alone, and I know they were very young when they started out, but is "boy band" actually the best term to characterize a vocal group made up of men in their late 40s and early 50s? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 12:39, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

They were a boy band when they started out and that is where they achieved their fame.

Granted, they should really rename themselves to the "Old Kids on the Block" these days... 75.89.248.52 (talk) 18:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Awards section

I know Backstreet Boys have been active for longer and that might explain a page dedicated only to their awards.

I refuse to believe NKOTB have so few awards in comparison.

Can anyone tell if there is nothing else for NKOTB?

George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 03:36, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Jamie Kelly

The Early Career section of this article currently states that Jamie Kelly "replaced" Mark Wahlberg in New Kids on the Block "as the group began to take shape" - and that Joey McIntyre subsequently replaced Jamie. The only source offered for this is Nikki Van Noy's "authorized biography" of the group, which doesn't appear to be accessible online. On the other hand, this Biography.com article says that Kelly joined the group "early on" and seems to suggest that he joined before the Knight brothers or Danny Wood. It's still possible that Mark Wahlberg had left the group before Jamie Kelly joined, but if that was the case, then when Mark left, it seems as though Donnie would have been the only one remaining in the group at the time.

The article goes on to say that Kelly made an "early exit" either due to "a lack of talent or simply a lack of commitment". And the article suggests that Starr began looking for Kelly's replacement only after Kelly left. So while it would be accurate to say that Joey McIntyre took Kelly's spot in the group, it seems that McIntyre was recruited only after Kelly chose to leave. It doesn't seem that Kelly was forced out to make space for McIntyre. I'm not familiar with the history of New Kids on the Block nor have I ever seen Van Noy's authorized biography, so I can't confidently speak to the actual timeline of the group's forming. It's certainly possible that different people associated with the group have given contradictory accounts of all this. If so, then it would be worth mentioning those contradictions here on Wikipedia. There are a few additional sources that I'm going to look into, and if I find out more on the topic, I'll report back. --Jpcase (talk) 16:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, so this Encylopedia.com article says that McIntyre "was added to replace a singer whose parents didn’t want him to become involved in show business." This would seem to support the understanding that McIntyre was brought on only after Kelly had already left. --Jpcase (talk) 01:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

But then again, this article from The Columbus Dispatch says that Kelly was "dismissed in favor of McIntyre". So it's still unclear how McIntyre's replacement of Kelly actually played out . Side note - this article also supports the idea that Kelly was originally brought on as a replacement for Mark Wahlberg. --Jpcase (talk) 02:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I dug into the history of this Wikipedia article a bit and discovered that the Early Career section actually existed nearly in its current form before Van Noy's biography was even published (see this version of the Wikipedia article from 2011). The biography wasn't published until 2012 and wasn't added to the Wikipedia article as a source until this 2013 edit. Before that edit, this article from People was the only source provided for the Early Career section. Nothing is said in that People article about McIntyre "replacing" Kelly. Rather, all that the People article says about Kelly is the following:

Two original members, Wahlberg’s little brother Mark and a friend named Jamie Kelly, dropped out. “The regimen was really tough,” says Wahlberg’s mom, Alma Conroy. “Rehearsal every night after school, shows on weekends. There was no time for anything else. You really had to want to do this. Mark wasn’t ready for it, and Jamie said he’d rather have fun.'

It's worth noting that in the earlier versions of this Wikipedia article linked to above, the statement about Kelly was slightly more detailed. That version read:

As the group began to take shape, Mark chose to quit before they started recording, and another one of Donnie's neighborhood friends, Jamie Kelly, took his place. Kelly, though, would eventually be dismissed for lack of concentration and discipline after his father's death. Seeking a Michael Jackson -esque singer to sing the high solos, Starr replaced him with 12-year-old Joey McIntyre—whom the other guys initially resented for being the one to replace their friend.

Again, the People article was the only source provided for that information, and yet the People article says nothing about Kelly's dad. So I'm not sure where the Early Career section got any of its information, but it's fairly safe to say that none of it came from Van Noy's biography and, at most, only some of it came from the People article. --Jpcase (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I searched a little bit further through the page's history and found that the People article was first added as a source in this 2008 edit. But by that time, the Early Career section had already existed largely in its current form for quite awhile. So the entire Early Career section was written without sourcing. And I'm pretty sure the only reason that Van Noy's biography was added as a source in that aforementioned 2012 edit was so that it could serve as a source for the group's original name. Much of the information in the Early Career section is obviously true, but it seems fair to say that some of the details in that section could potentially be inaccurate. --Jpcase (talk) 03:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I went ahead and did a partial rewrite of the Early Career section. Everything should be properly sourced now. More improvements and additions could certainly be made, but I'll leave that to future editors. --Jpcase (talk) 06:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

NPOV issues, awkward phrasing?

In the 2013-present section this line sticks out as... I mean a BTS fan had to write this, right? What's the relevance? "One thing to point was during the concert, K-Pop Boyband BTS were vibing and enjoying New Kids On The Block and New Edition's Performance. The memorable and goose-bump feeling comes off to New Kids singing Hangin' Tough , making everyone waving their hands in good vibes."

I'm hesitant to just flat out delete it, but I can't see why it's even in the article. Who cares if BTS listened to their concert, why is that historically significant? Can you cite "everyone waving their hands in the air in good vibes"? Is "goose-bump feeling" an academic term? IDK, I'm not sure what to do about it so I figured I'd bring it up in here to see what everyone else thought. Evil taco (talk) 19:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Bring Back the Time

I saw this article from Billboard magazine about their new clip "Bring Back the Time". https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/new-kids-on-the-block-bring-back-the-time-video-donnie-wahlberg-interview-1235038429/ I don't know if there enough infos to put an entry about this song. --Sd-100 (talk) 16:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)