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Considered a Birchbark canoes article?

Hello Cornellier, thanks for your note. I was wondering the same thing about inline cites vs. links, and thinking that birchbark canoes deserved their own section, if not their own article. To my surprise, after a bit of research, it appears that you need print sources to write an authoritative article on birchbark canoes that goes beyond "how to build one." These two books would probably cover the basics for different types of birchbark canoe: Timothy J. Kent, Birchbark Canoes of the Fur Trade and Adney, Edwin Tappan. The Bark Canoes and Skin Boats of North America. ISBN: 9781602390713 Fuller list of print sources are here: http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/aborig/watercraft/wabibeng.shtml and http://www.wcha.org/bbresource.php The current photo at http://www.barkcanoe.net/latest.html of the Hudson's Bay Co. "express" canoe is an important illustration, if a usable version is available. You know more about canoes than me, have you considered an article? Djembayz (talk) 01:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Changes to WP:QC

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Why did you remove my edit??!

--Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 20:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Camilo! I take it you're referring to my removing derailleur from the see also section of bicycle chain? I get that it's a related topic, but as I said in the revision comment, derailleur is already mentioned in the body of the article. As stated in the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#See_also_section '... the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body ...' If we're going to add derailleur, then why not add coaster brakes, hub gears, fixed gears, cogset etc.? Sometimes less is more for reasons of reducing clutter, maintenance, mobile downloads etc.

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Cross-country skiing

Hi Cornellier, I was surprised to find the amount of work that you put into the subject article without discussing it first, since your contributions change the emphasis of the article. Admittedly, the article was not up to Wikipedia standards. My primary concern is that you recast cross-country skiing as primarily a racing sport, characterizing ski touring as the recreational off-shoot. Most mass sports are thought of as the general practice, which then have a competitive subset; running, bicycling, skating are some examples. In my lexicon, manyfold more people cross-country ski recreationally than race. What is your thinking here? Perhaps we should have this conversation at the Talk:Cross-country skiing page. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 03:39, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks HopsonRoad. Talk:Cross-country skiing updated per your thoughtful suggestion. PS: nice work on the potholes!! --Cornellier (talk) 04:16, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

And thank you, Cornellier, for the courteous manner in which you brought the topic across to the Talk page—done in the best spirit of Wikipedia civility! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 19:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cornellier, you might want to look at the work I'm doing in the sand box at Talk:Cross-country skiing/sandbox and also my suggestion at Talk:Cross-country_skiing#Scope_of_this_article for your work to become a new article, Cross-country skiing competition. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 14:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cornellier, with your and User:Erik den yngre's assent, I would move the Talk:Cross-country skiing/sandbox into Cross-country skiing. Please let me know at the talk page. User:HopsonRoad 21:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cornellier, thank you for all your good ideas and providing the impetus to revise Cross-country skiing! BTW, you might not be aware that your recent talk-page contributions atTalk:Cross-country skiing have been unsigned. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 16:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cornellier, Our friend Erik (a native speaker of Norwegian) has tagged the article, claiming its scope is confusing. I believe that we already had the conversation regarding his perspective and that he had an opportunity to weigh in, but his POV was not agreed to. See what you think at Talk:Cross-country_skiing#Scope_and_perspective and consider removing the tags. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 21:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Skiing navbar

Perhaps the XC skiing (sport) should be included under Nordic in the navbar? It is primarily XC as a sport that relates to the concept of Nordic skiing. --Erik den yngre (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

The Putnam Phalanx

Hi Cornellier, I've had a go at addressing your concerns with the article, namely what is it? does it still exist? together with formatting citations, and adding an additional source. I've removed the tags from the article, but feel free to re-tag again if you still see problems with the article.--KTo288 (talk) 23:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi KTo288, good stuff. I've added a few comments to Talk:The_Putnam_Phalanx --Cornellier (talk) 13:55, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll see what I can turn up, some of the older material may qualify for PD-old now.--KTo288 (talk) 07:19, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Good Article reviews

Hi Cornellier, I suggest that, since we are hoping someone will take the time to review Cross-country skiing as a Good Article, it would be appropriate if we did the same for other candidate articles. If you are willing, you will find articles waiting for review at Wikipedia:Good article nominations. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 17:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Billy Demong

Billy Demong also won the world Champs (Liberec 2009) Holmenkollen (was hosted in Vikersund due to rebuilding of Oslo venue 2009) and Olympics 2010 in Nordic Combined Skiing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdemong (talk • contribs) 03:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for the info, but which article in Wikipedia are you suggesting be updated? --Cornellier (talk) 13:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Timing belt (camshaft)

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Merger record

Happy New Year, Cornellier. I notice that the tag at the top of Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport) reads "Text from Ski marathon was copied or moved into Cross-country skiing (sport) with [permanent diff this edit]. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. The former page's talk page can be accessed at [[]]." It appears that the fields weren't rendered properly to link to the previous page's history. Perhaps you or an administrator could fix this. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 18:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too, User:HopsonRoad. Think I fixed it; I hadn't filled in the variables properly in the first place. --Cornellier (talk) 03:49, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for trying, Cornellier. It appears that all links still direct to Cross-country skiing (sport) and none to a talk page of the previous article. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 04:04, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Check it now? --Cornellier (talk) 04:19, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, Cornellier. That seems to do the trick! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 14:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Great knowledge of the ski industry!

Great knowledge of the ski industry!

Hello Cornellier, I've noticed via wikipedia that you're quite knowledgeable on the subject of skiing. Would you be willing to write a wikipedia profile about ski.com? Unfortunately when a Google search is performed for "ski.com" a skis.com wiki page is showing up and we are two very different companies. Would you help us set the record straight so more skiers and snowboarders can learn about our 40-plus-year tenure in the ski travel industry? If you have some time to do this please send us a message! Thanks so much for considering this. Best, Leah Mtns4days (talk) 17:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

References

Please do not remove references from article. What you said in your edit summary, "citations are not needed for xrefs to WP articles", is simply not true. We cannot rely on content or references in linked articles because those articles are always changing and the fact cited in other articles may be removed or not properly cited in the future, even if it is now. Skyerise (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

What I said in my edit summary was not meant to be taken literally as a general rule for WP. What I meant is that this is a clear case WP:CITEOVERKILL. Inline citations are required for "direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons". Nobody is disputing that these athletes are medalists. This is WP:CITECLUTTER, and makes the article look untidy. These citations contribute nothing to the reliability of the article while reducing its readability. --Cornellier (talk) 17:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Ski flying

Greetings! This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but here goes: for the past month or so I have completed a major overhaul of the ski flying article, to the point where it now has way more material compared to its 'parent' article, ski jumping; and quite frankly, I just find the former to be more interesting due to the world record aspect. I don't suppose you have any interest in this area of skiing? Despite my efforts to make it well-referenced and such, I'm a bit timid about nominating it for GA status—never done anything like it on WP. I then noticed that cross-country skiing is currently a GA candidate, and I don't mean to hitch a ride on that, but maybe if you have the time or interest—or know somebody else who has—you or they could give a glance at the ski flying article and suggest what I could do next? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, an Englishman, a Finn and a Canadian go into a pub. The date is 11/10/12 ... hilarity ensues. No wait, this is serious. The ski flying article looks epic. First off, thanks for putting in the work. I'll take a look at it against the GA requirements and see if I can come up with some ideas! Any suggestions, I'll add to Talk:Ski_flying. --Cornellier (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Greatly appreciated, as well as the joke. ;-) Mac Dreamstate (talk) 01:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Good Article status

Hi Cornellier, this is to thank you for helping bring Cross country skiing to GA status, which it received a few minutes ago! Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 03:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Veldig bra (as we say in Scandiwegia)! I just poked at the article (and sometimes beat it) with a stick. You crafted it to a decent article .... --Cornellier (talk) 03:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

D-segment

Hello :) I think you missed this part in the BMW 3 Series article "Class: Compact executive car (D)". It's a minor issue anyway, since that's not an exhaustive list. Thanks for leaving the others (consistent with similar listing in the other Segment pages). CtrlXctrlV (talk) 14:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cut 'n' Paste. The reason to take it out was that it's not referenced. The "facts" in WP cannot be self-referential. WP should not state that the car is Class D without a reference. It being stated on another WP page is not a reference! Cornellier (talk) 03:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, noted with thanks (well done on deciphering my name haha) CtrlXctrlV (talk) 07:31, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Changes to Bagnor, Maine

Hi,

I noticed that your change to the Bagnor, Maine article chopped off a sentence half-way. It would be good if you could clean that up!

Thanks, (talk to) Gaelan('s contributions) 04:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Done. --Cornellier (talk) 17:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Expansion of ski wax article

Hi Cornellier, I've substantially expanded the ski wax article. You may wish to give it a critical looking over. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 15:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Why did you remove the table of voltages at different degrees?

Seriously why did you do that? It was informative. I've had problems with my battery and referenced this numerous times. JustCopewithit (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

The "Example of Open Circuit Voltage (OCV) vs. temperature at various States of Charge (SoC) for a "low maintenance" (Pb-Sb/Pb-Ca) battery" on Automotive battery was removed because WP:NOTMANUAL per the banners on the page. --Cornellier (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes but if nothing else I found that table informative. I'm not speaking about the rest of the article,but that table seemed well fitting. If I wanted better advice I would go to a manual or fsm. JustCopewithit (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Could you maybe do a better job with your edit summaries? Your recent edit to Power station was fine; "world's first" was not supported by the source, the National Trust source didn't contribute anything useful, and the reference to "Jumbo" was trivial. But your summary of "WP:CLEANUP" didn't help me understand any of that. Kendall-K1 (talk) 04:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Kendall-K1. You're quite right. I will try to do a better job with my edit summaries. --Cornellier (talk) 14:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

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Dynamic voltage restoration

I note you have in good faith reverted two related edits independently by both @Kvng: and Aoziwe on both Dynamic voltage restoration and Electric power distribution reorphaning the former article on both occasions. I have restored the deorphaning edits.

Your reference to WP:ALSO actually supports long see also lists if appropropriate, namely, Consider using {{Columns-list}} or {{Div col}} if the list is lengthy.

Deorphaning an article does not pretend to fix the article if it is otherwise flawed. Indeed and infact one of the reasons an orphaned article has not been brought up to standard is that not enough reader/editors find it precisely because it is an orphan. Linking an article into the rest of wikipedia from at least one other article will increase the number of visits it gets. Reorphaning the article will only keep it isolated and at a poor quality level.

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Before you wrote the above I had already started a discussion about this at User_talk:Kvng#De-orphaning. Let's not have conversations in multiple places. Please see my comments there. --Cornellier (talk) 12:47, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

We're discussing changes to Electric power distribution so I have copied everything to Talk:Electric_power_distribution#See_also. Please continue the discussion there. ~Kvng (talk) 13:57, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Pantomime

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Oh dear I thought this had been hashed out. OH NO IT HASN'T ! --Cornellier (talk) 00:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Groupe Desgagnés

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Oops, thanks for the notification Diannaa, fI was offline for a bit. This was accidental on my part, first I've seen this though. I shall try to be more careful. --Cornellier (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Salmon problem

Hi there, the final article will rely on citations from different locations in the same sources, hence the bibliography format. This is an acceptable way of formatting such references on WP (cf for instance Grill (family)#References, and the German version of the article I'm working on de:Lachsargument. So since there's method to the apparent madness, I'm going to go ahead and undo your deletion of the bibliography. I do intend to extend the article soon with the sources I now have sitting on my shelf (or my laptop, as it were), it's just that real life has gotten in the way.--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 21:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Newb. Fair enough. But please get on with it. This sounds like a fringe theory at best and without decent support it's not going to last. --Cornellier (talk) 02:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

It seems to me you haven't actually read the article. It's been discredited since the 1970s, so it's not a fringe theory, it's a historical theory. It's notable because it provided the consensus view on the Indo-European urheimat for nearly a century.--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 23:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Citroën DS

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Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY much of the content concerned should not be in WP, much less red linked. Per WP:RED "Articles should not contain red links to ... topics that do not warrant an article". --Cornellier (talk) 11:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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The reason why Jacob Batalon, Marisa Tomei and Zendaya were removed from the text part of "supporting roles" from the article List of Marvel Cinematic Universe film actors is because the only film posters their names have been listed in MCU are those of Spider-Man films. Clark Gregg and Gwyneth Paltrow were listed in Iron Man and Avengers films' posters. Jon Favreau was listed in Iron Man and Spider-Man films' posters. William Hurt was listed in The Incredible Hulk and Captain America: Civil War posters. Tom Hiddleston, Idris Elba and Stellan Skarsgård were listed in Thor and Avengers films' posters. Hayley Atwell was listed in Captain America films and Avengers: Age of Ultron posters. Benedict Wong was listed in Doctor Strange and Avenger: Infinity War. Danai Gurira and Letitia Wright were listed in Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War posters (although only among the upper names in the latter but still). Benicio del Toro was listed listed in Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers: Infinity War posters (just like actors/actresses of all the members of the Guardians). Lee Pace and Djimon Hounsou were listed in Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain Marvel posters. And I don't even need to mention the Avengers members. A long explanation, but now know why that part of the article is like that. CAJH (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much CAJH. Sometimes things are more complicated than they seem. Just for info, in retrospect I was wrong to revert anyway. I was doing page reviews of "locked" pages and came across this one. I didn't like the removal of info with no explanation, BUT according to HELP:REVIEWING one should only not accept (ie revert) when it's an obviously malicious edit. One's perception of the content being correct or incorrect isn't supposed to come into it. --Cornellier (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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Ferret, apologies and thanks for spotting and fixing. I accidentally inserted the link twice, once in his comment once in mine. I should've looked at the diff before hitting publish. I'll be more careful about that. --Cornellier (talk) 15:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hello!

Just a heads up that I reverted your removal of "Iconic" from the Dorothea Lange photo description here. If you have a look at the article on the photo (see Migrant mother), you will find the term used in the lede and as the heading for a whole section. Thsis is one of those rare cases where it is not an exaggeration or inflation of the facts to call something iconic. In fact, using the word iconic lets you know the photo is among the most famous ever taken. Time says: "Of the 160,000 images taken by Lange and other photographers for the Resettlement Administration, Migrant Mother has become the most iconic picture of the Depression." A web search with the same terms will give you results such as history.com and the Library of Congress using the same wording. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks User:ThatMontrealIP for your elaborations. My thinking is that the photo is already indirectly described as such in the article body "Lange's poignant images became icons of the era", and that the caption could be a little more minimal and the qualification is not needed. The word "editorialize" in the revision comment was probably not the best choice. --Cornellier (talk) 16:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

re comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blavo, California

I ask you to retract the comment about the creator of these articles. I don't know what he's doing now, but these geography stubs were created a long time ago before anyone realized that GNIS had these problems. It is an irritation to have to do the cleanup, and I wish the people who created these would help, but speculative comments about their behavior are not helpful. Mangoe (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Mangoe: deleted per WP:OTHERSTUFF. Regarding what you call "speculative" comments consider the following facts:

That same user is now creating many similar permastubs. Not from GNIS this time but by apparently iterating through an atlas and creating articles, based on this template for every place-name found there. Take a look at Corytheis. These one-line stubs probably will never be expanded, create an enormous amount of clutter, and who knows, maybe someone like you will be WP:AFDing them 11 years from now. --Cornellier (talk) 18:27, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Ugggh. Probably not, actually, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that the source used would most likely be claimed to confer notability. That said, side comments in an AfD discussion aren't going to have a positive effect. Mangoe (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

New Brunswick Parishes

Sorry to say this, but some of your effort has gotten it wrong.

Parishes and local service districts aren't the same thing. Some LSDs comprise an entire parish, but that's just a matter of overlap. Neither is really a settlement type but since the article is about the parish and not the LSD, parish should be what shows up as the ST if only for sake of consistency.

A parish includes any municipality or LSD that covers part of its territory, according to the Interpretation Act. Census subdivisions ignore this and just include parts that aren't in a municipality, which makes it more confusing to anyone who has a life.

For an extreme case, check out Shippegan Parish, which has something like a dozen LSDs (and part of another) and four municipalities.

If you want the fine details, the government of New Brunswick has the appropriate documents online.

• Territorial Division Act
• Interpretation Act
• Regulation 84-16

Apologies if I've missed something but I've only periodic internet and don't have time to go through and check every parish you've done. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 02:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

User:G._Timothy_Walton the area that is the subject of Dufferin Parish, New Brunswick is three things:

• a division of Charlotte County Council, which hasn't existed since 1966, and which "anyone who has a life" doesn't care about
• the LSD that replaced it for local governance
• the federal census area.

All three should be documented and there's not enough material for three articles. So cover them in the same article. Obviously this could not work with Shippegan Parish, New Brunswick where the parish and the divisions for local government don't overlap. The Shippegan article is a good example of how these parish articles are unnecessarily obfuscating the present day reality.

• It has as settlement_type List of parishes in New Brunswick which doesn't even make sense. There's no article about NB parishes because they've mostly been replaced by LSDs.
• The infobox says the population is 4800 but then its map wrongly includes the excluded municipalities. The map should look this the one on the census profile.
• The communities list is wrong.

Bottom line, restricting every article about a NB parish to its 1966 definition and ignoring the LSD, while not explaining the relationship with census division and municipalities and the overall context is not helpful. Actually, it's downright confusing. --Cornellier (talk) 21:02, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Ah, some confusion is lifted. You've misunderstood the nature of civil parishes in New Brunswick. (I don't have a life, so I understand a fair amount about NB governance.)

Parishes no longer exist as governments but still do exist as geographical divisions that are used for other purposes. The Territorial Division Act is still in effect; the parishes listed in it are what are covered in these Parish articles. Saint John, Fredericton, and the Town of Grand Falls are also listed in the TDA but only Saint John has its municipal boundaries match what's in the TDA.

Layered on top of that are the municipalities (Regulation 85-6), the regional municipality of Tracadie and the incorporated rural communities like Saint-André. They have governance powers and all their territory is still legally part of the parishes they occupy according to the Interpretation Act.

Local service districts (Regulation 84-168) contain almost everything else that isn't under federal control, like national parks, CFB Gagetown, and First Nations lands. LSDs have no governance powers and can't even own property anymore; they serve mainly as convenient units for collecting property taxes.

The Census Subdivisions are the municipalities, quasi-municipalities, and parishes. LSDs are the basis of Designated Places but the boundaries don't always match Regulation 84-168. Statistics Canada doesn't bother breaking down the municipalities and quasi-municipalities that extend into more than one parish so it's not always possible to get the true population of a parish, just the unincorporated parts.

The communities lists are in need of overhaul, true. The big problem here is that the 911 community names and boundaries were slapped on top of what people were already using and what was on the cadastral maps and had already fallen out of use. And then there're the spelling differences in use between different government departments (or even within the same document), the names Natural Resources Canada uses but New Brunswick doesn't, and so on... And then there are the taxing authorities (or taxation authorities, depending on the government document) which follow property lines rather than parish lines but mostly use the same names as the LSDs but sometimes have their own spellings.

Adding to this is the fact that only some LSDs are single communities while many comprise multiple commmunities; the parish of Madawaska at this point doesn't even have any communities within the LSD.

Bottom line, I think the more proper way to sort out the mess is to keep the parish articles consistent and then layer the extra information on top of that. I've never had the online time available to go through everything and make it consistent, though.

I'd like to say I've got a perfect solution here but I don't. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 00:03, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts, User:G. Timothy Walton. What do you mean by "911 community names and boundaries"? Comments:

• You wrote that "LSDs ... serve mainly as convenient units for collecting property taxes" But it's a little more than that. LSD Advisory Committees can be formed.
• "keep the parish articles consistent". Great in theory, but all too often that's going to amount to forcing a round peg into a square hole. An example of the unsuitability of parishes for describing the divisions of NB is Grand Manan Parish. It originally comprised Grand Manan and its surrounding islands. When the Village of Grand Manan Island was incorporated, it included the main islands and all of the surrounding islands except White Head Island. So now Grand Manan Parish is limited to WH Island and does not include Grand Manan Island. Or look at Deer Island. We have an article about the island and another for West Isles Parish which are about, er, the same place. According to the article the West Isles LSD is often referred to as the Deer Island LSD.
• "I'd like to say I've got a perfect solution here but I don't." The goal isn't to come up with a perfect solution. The goal is to document the situation as it is. Trying to impose a rigid hierarchy and nomenclature on something that just isn't that logical and systematic is counterproductive. Let's try to describe the situation as we find it:
  • there's a place called White Head Island, it's administered as Grand Manan LSD, it's pop. is X
  • there's a place called Grand Manan, it's a village, it's pop. is Y
  • there's a place called Deer Island, it's administered as West Isles LSD, it's pop is Z

I've started a new section about this at WikiProject NB. --Cornellier (talk) 12:54, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for starting that subject. I've contributed some of my thoughts over there.

• "911 communities and boundaries" refers to the reform of community names that was undertaken when the 911 emergency system became provincewide. A number of local communities were combined for 911 purposes and the names chosen don't always match up to any pre-existing name in an area (anecdotal, that last bit, as I've trusted the word of someone who was so affected rather than do the research myself). For the communities list, should we list the old names, the current 911 names, or a blend, possibly with deprecated names like those on cadastral maps noted?
• I've been studying the LSD system for about ten years and judging by the non-answers I've received to emails I sent to Local Government I may know more than many of their employees about the subject. Perhaps someday I'll find the time to do a timeline of the evolution of LSD powers and requirements in the Municipalities Act and the Local Government Act that superseded it. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 02:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

it would also be interesting to put this in the context of the New Brunswick Equal Opportunity program and the RSCs.

I guess the revival of this topic belongs back here more than anywhere else.

I've read some of the updated articles and it still seems wrong to describe them primarily as local service districts. Today I finally remembered what was niggling at my memory.

Parishes predate the municipal county governments, which didn't come along until nearly a century after the province was created. Acting on the assumption that their only function was as part of county government does cause confusion.

Also, as local service districts are replaced by incorporation into municipalities or quasi-municipalities, it becomes necessary to completely rewrite the preamble to each article. If the provincial government ever succumbs to frustration and reworks the whole province that makes 152 articles that need to have their focus changed back to the parish as the primary unit.

Right now it looks like we're working towards a dozen standard articles and ~160 exceptions.

How about this for boilerplate: x Parish is a parish in y County, etc. etc. It functions as a local service district and is used as a census subdivision by Statistics Canada [then note any parts of the parish that belong to a municipality or quasi-municipality]; multi-LSD parishes could have something like the parish is divided into n local service districts. Would this be less clumsy and closer to what you are thinking of?

I also wonder if the text about parishes losing their major function in 1966 more properly belongs in a footnote.

Thoughts? I don't want to end up working at cross-purposes where we try to say much the same thing in different ways. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

As a commenter wrote on Talk:St._Andrews,_New_Brunswick "hardly anyone [in NB] talks about parishes or even knows they exist [...] I'm not even sure if the parish should even have an article." and "Parishes are only mentioned within some genealogical/historical research circles and not relatively know by residents." So, in the current setup parishes are given undue importance. They exist in name only. They are historical subdivisions whose boundaries in some cases hang on as CSDs and LSDs. But it's not that simple:

• Grand Manan includes neither the island nor the village of the same name.
• St Andrews has been divided in two, and now confusingly the LSD and CSD do not include the much better known town of the same name.
• Pennfield is a subset of its former area, and is now divided into three CSDs and three local gov't jurisdictions.
• St Stephen does not include the well-known town of the same name. The part that excludes the town is now a single CSD, though local governance is provided by two different LSDs (I think).
• West Isles is a fraction of its former jurisdiction and could be merged with Deer Island.

So a "boiler plate" intro could only be done for the other parishes that are now single LSDs and CSDs that follow the historic boundaries. I agree that "about parishes losing their major function in 1966" could be toned down. Dufferin is fairly simple one, take a look at the format and let me know what you think. I find the "Dufferin Parish is a parish" intro style to suffer from being a self-referential definition. I understand that there is a desire to standardize the articles' format, and these are now different from the rest of NB, but at least they're no longer geographically wrong. --Cornellier (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Grand Manan article

Good morning! I've been impressed with the great improvements you've been making to Grand Manan over the last few weeks and was surprised to see that you rolled them all back yesterday. Why so? Any chance you'll reverse the rollback?

I noticed you've also rolled back your (to me) very constructive and clarifying edit to Grand Manan Parish, New Brunswick. That (now restored) article is baffling, as is its being a link from the GM article infobox.

I see there is a discussion going on about how to cover NB political geography in Wikipedia. It's a bit arcane for me but based on the results I think you're on the right track! HazelAB (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Good morning HazelAB! Thanks very much for your thoughts, it means a lot to me :) Sorry for the bafflement! The rollbacks should be temporary. What happened is that as I worked on these articles I came to realize that there is a large problem with the general definitions and structure of all the geo (e.g. is GM an island, a village or a parish?). I had a bit of polite pushback from some other editors. So I started a conversation on the project page. I did the rollbacks so that I could use the state of the old articles as examples in our discussions of how to move forward. Once we figure that out I'll rollback my rollbacks. --Cornellier (talk) 13:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! All the best, HazelAB (talk) 14:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Dufferin Parish, New Brunswick

I checked this one out today, and there are some factual errors.

• The parish didn't become a local service district until 1969 when ambulance service ("community services") when local funeral homes stopped providing ambulance service. (Regulation 69-17; also "St. Stephen - Milltown Ambulance Brigade" in Municipal Monthly Volume 25 No. 3, page 5)
• The abolition of the county councils took place with the Municipalities Act of 1966, not 1968.
• The RSC is called Southwest New Brunswick Service Commission; Regional does not appear in the name. (This is the only RSC that lacks Regional in its English name)

Only 41 LSDs were created immediately following the abolition of county councils; the last of the parish LSDs was created in 1985.

I'm not going to bother trying to salvage this mess. You broke it, you fix it. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 22:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually I was deliberately vague about the creation date of the LSD since I didn't know it. I just said it was "after the abolition of county councils". I can't find a reference online for "Regulation 69-17; also "St. Stephen - Milltown Ambulance Brigade" in Municipal Monthly Volume 25 No. 3, page 5". Can you give me a link, or is it paper only?

"Municipalities Act of 1966" fixed, with reference, and on other pages. 1968 was a one-off typo on that page.

RSC fixed, with reference. Also others.

It's late now, I'll take another look tomorrow morning.--Cornellier (talk) 03:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about the frustration. Heat wave, etc.

Creation dates for all the LSDs are on the List of Local Service Districts page last I looked. The appropriate Regulations should still be referenced there as well. Great, just remembered I need to clean up the references on that page.

Municipal Monthly and its successor Municipal Journal (title change 1969) isn't available online; I have scans of the proper pages from all issues that were microfilmed - most of the missing issues are from after 1966 (of course). Film available from Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, don't have the reel number to hand.

I have 200+ scans of the pre-2000 Regulations from Royal Gazette as well as the original consolidating Regulations of 1974 and 1984; all RGs beginning in 2000 are available as PDFs from the Government of New Brunswick site and changes are indexed. Note that the current government removed the requirement to publish Regulations in RG in 2019.

Municipalities Act has been replaced by Local Governance Act as of start of 2018 but I haven't done an in-depth readthrough yet. LGA is on the GNB site. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 14:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I updated the Charlotte County pages with creation dates and used refs from the list of parishes. Thanks for your edits to Campobello Island. --Cornellier (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads-up I don't have skiing on my watch anymore. I'll take a look and comment there. --Cornellier (talk) 15:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Grand Manan Parish, New Brunswick.

The change was not "patent nonsense." Please refer to the province's Interpretation Act, which states that “parish” includes any local government that is within the limits of a parish, and the Territorial Division Act, in which the only municipality separated from its parish is Grand Falls.

I'll meld something at my convenience from your actual improvements and other information that's accurate. Refer to Saint Croix Parish for an example of what these can look like, and links to stuff for those who care to refer to the source material.

But short form for now:

• The Parish of Grand Manan Census subdivision includes only the LSD of White Head Island. It is not the civil parish.
• The civil parish includes the village.
• Census subdivisions are not a government form.
• Census divisions, etc. are federal statistical entities. Parishes are provincial legal entities. This article is supposed to be about the provincial legal entity. The fact they share names means only that they share names. That and nothing more.

And I really should have put in a reference to Census subdivisions in the preamble. Mea culpa.

You really seem to misunderstand the status of parishes in relation to LSDs and the census. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 01:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

You should read the parable of Blind men and an elephant. It certainly fits this fixation on Census subdivisions or local service districts being what's important in describing parishes. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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Petty reverts

In this case, a hatnote about a subject you've shown gross misunderstanding of because WP:UNDUE. Village and the parish surrounding it, seems reasonable to cross-hatnote the two, regardless of whether there are other places in other provinces or countries with the same name - that's why the disambiguation page was included for other uses.

You've already shown an inability to understand the subject matter of New Brunswick civil parishes. Reverting simply because you don't like sourced material that proves you wrong is pettiness unbefitting an editor.

If this continues, I may take it to the Disruptive user noticeboard. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@G. Timothy Walton: Thank you for the feedback. Note that linking to the parish in the hatnote is contrary to WP:HAT, as explained at the talk page Kindly note also that the wheels of Wikipedia are greased by civility, and the avoidance of ad hominem attacks. --Cornellier (talk) 12:13, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hello! In case you have ping notifications turned off, I wanted to let you know I've proposed an improved Techtronic Industries article at the bottom of Talk:Techtronic Industries. I was hoping you'd be willing to take a look since you helped previously, but if you're not interested I'll try to find other editors or relevant WikiProjects for assistance. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

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New Brunswick Parish articles

1. Some of what you're calling non-notable does have group pages on WP. More appropriate to link to the group page, which I should have done. A better contribution would be linking to such pages. Or you could leave them there long enough for me to go through them in the next few days and put in the wikilinks.
2. The provincial government is still using parish boundaries for some administrative functions by Department of Education, Natural Resources (whatever it's called now) and in numerous regulations and Acts. They're not used for governance, so calling them a defunct governance unit might be accurate, but administrative is not.
3. The duplicate reference to the List of Parishes article should be deleted across all such articles. Feel free - it's not a priority for me.
4. "The sadly irrelevant List of parishes in New Brunswick" may breach WP:NEUTRALITY. I've commented on your level of understanding of the subject area in the past and stand by my comments. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 04:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

1. What is a "group page"?
2. Interested. Please provide references.
3. "it's not a priority" contradictory to your turninG WP into a gazeteer with additions of non notable islands to the geographical constraints of parishes, etc.
4. I appologise for my outburst, and revoke the word "sadly" and hope you will accept "the irrelevant List of parishes in New Brunswick". One waits for your proof that a list of parishes of NB is useful to anybody. I'm talking about more than one person. Of whom one is not you. --Cornellier (talk) 04:36, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

1. Pages like List of airports in New Brunswick and List of protected areas of New Brunswick. I've seen some articles with lists that wikilink to specific articles where they occur and to the general page where they don't.
2. Game refuges and wildlife management areas comes to mind. I did include it as a reference where they occurred in the parish articles.
3. Priorities are things like working in local service districts and boundary evolution. Some things are highly labour-intensive, some can be done as mass-production. The gazetteer comment I'll concede; some flaws don't become readily apparent until well into a series of edits and by then it's easier to finish and makes fixes as other things are worked in.
4. I do not accept "the irrelevant List of parishes in New Brunswick" The fact they are still in use by government means that they are useful. Genealogists still require knowledge of them and the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick uses them for their family research guides.

An editor at the administrator level asked for an explanation of the difference between Coverdale Parish and the communities of Coverdale, Lower Coverdale, etc. He suggested the model of English parishes, in which the various communities are listed with the parish. Given how little information of any significance is available for the various small communities and LSDs of New Brunswick, would you see value in such a model? Many of the articles on such communities amount to nothing more than their general existence and location; many of the LSDs would amount to nothing more in their articles than their location, boundaries, creation date, and services, since none of their histories actually extend back past 1966. A paragraph in a larger article makes more sense to me than a slew of single-paragraph articles with numerous empty categories. Given the current premier's penchant for bad ideas poorly implemented, (yes, not WP:NEUTRALITY) the possibility of LSDs being abolished in the name of cost-reduction is not farfetched. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 05:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

West Hants

Hey Cornellier, I won’t template you because you’ve been around longer than I have been. Let me know what is going on in West Hants that requires the page to be moved back. The Town of Windsor and the Municipality of the District of West Hants apparently amalgamated last year. I think I saw it occur on April 1, which makes me wonder, as I type this, if this was an April Fool’s Day joke that someone bit on and went unnoticed for over a year!? Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 01:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I am seeing by this recent council agenda that they are officially referring to themselves as "West Hants Regional Municipality". Hwy43 (talk) 01:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hwy43: well, I'll be dipped. Hants County, Nova Scotia, among many others, makes no mention of the change and says the historical county is divided into two district municipalities. I've seen it written in WP so many times that there are three Regional Municipalities, I believed it to be true. I've just undone a change I'd done to Template:Subdivisions_of_Nova_Scotia and updated Hantsport, List of former municipalities of Nova Scotia, List of towns in Nova Scotia, Demographics of Nova Scotia, List of communities in Nova Scotia, Municipality of the District of East Hants, and Hants County, Nova Scotia. --Cornellier (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

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A suggestion to rename Cross-country skiing (sport) may be of interest to you

...at Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)#Move to: Cross-country ski competition?. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 20:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Cornellier. You may wish to add more to the discussion at Talk:Cross-country skiing (sport)#Requested move 12 January 2022. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 17:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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User:Ahunt, as the reverter who started it all with this revert, be advised to read and understand WP:BADREVERT and WP:OWNERSHIP. Cornellier (talk) 15:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia page for Jacuzzi

Hi. My name is Danise and I work for the hot tub brand [Jacuzzi]]. The current page on the company is only a few paragraphs long. It also has some trivia and citation issues. I'd like to propose an expanded draft for an impartial editor to review in compliance with Wikipedia's WP:COI policy. I saw that you were one of the largest contributors to the Hot Tub page and was hoping you might be willing to take a look. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Best regards. Danise Danise Lopes (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Danise Lopes. First up, welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you so much for this contribution. At a quick glance your draft looks like a big improvement. Nice work! I'll take a look and edit the draft, if necessary. The prognosis for updating Jacuzzi is excellent! If I have any comments I'll make them at the talk page for your draft. Cornellier (talk) 17:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for catching and fixing that. I believe what is actually needed here is a WP:REDIR to Ariel's Song and a reduction in unreferenced content per the WP:POPCULTURE tag you added. --Cornellier (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Works for me. I've done that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

New Brunswick governance reforms

Less than a minute's effort to find out that NOTHING SIGNIFICANT HAS CHANGED with almost every municipality you've chosen to delink in the name of checking whether anything's changed. Indefensible. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 04:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

"NOTHING SIGNIFICANT HAS CHANGED". Your hectoring tone might be reconsidered, per WP:CIVIL. The new entities are not the same as the old ones and cannot just be linked willy-nilly, as you wish to do. For example, Edmundston states "On 1 January 2023, Edmundston will expanded" (sic), rendering your above statement "indefensibly" false. Be that as it may, I recommend that you take this to the talk page of the page in question.Thanks for taking the time to give some feedback. --Cornellier (talk) 04:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

If you'd consulted the regulation defining municipalities, you'd have seen that annexing an adjacent area is not considered forming a new community. Regardless, delinking something because you don't think anyone should see it until you've finished is not the proper way to handle updating out-of-date information.

The hectoring tone is born of previous dealings with your unwillingness to learn sufficiently about a subject before deleting information. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

Hi Cornellier! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at J/24 that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. TylerBurden (talk) 23:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Suggest in future comments you provide a link to the actual revision. I assume you're talking about this: the link label said v-berth, the target was Berth (sleeping). This is Wikipedia:EASTEREGG. Pointed the link to berth. I don't agree this "changes the meaning of an article" but I'm open to arguments about it. Cornellier (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear since it shows what edits you mark as minor, namely the ones that were reverted several times and therefore clearly not minor edits. You did the same on Njörðr, where you are also engaging in edit warring as noted below. TylerBurden (talk) 01:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Njörðr. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

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Re. your initial reversion, please see Revert only when necessary. Re. your subsequent activities, it is noted that you slapped this template here while you yourself did three consecutive reverts to my two. Re. date formats, I do believe my arguments have merit, and will seek another forum in which to advance them. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. --Cornellier (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

You are altering the stable version of the article, so it is on you to gain WP:CON. When you're reverted on Wikipedia, you discuss your proposals, you don't try to brute force it through edit warring. You have been around long enough that you should know that. TylerBurden (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

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